BayRaider Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Not Day 2, but I really want this kid in the 5th Round: Solid arm, good mobility, and very high football IQ. Stats in the Pac 12 this year: 28 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.6 YPA, and 62% COMP He should be getting more hype imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: Not Day 2, but I really want this kid in the 5th Round: Solid arm, good mobility, and very high football IQ. Stats in the Pac 12 this year: 28 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.6 YPA, and 62% COMP He should be getting more hype imo. Meh. If we're going to carry a third QB it will probably be Peterman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, NYRaider said: Meh. If we're going to carry a third QB it will probably be Peterman. Gruden loves his 4 QBs. And our group of 3 QBs right now is extremely underwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: Not Day 2, but I really want this kid in the 5th Round: Solid arm, good mobility, and very high football IQ. Stats in the Pac 12 this year: 28 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.6 YPA, and 62% COMP He should be getting more hype imo. I see zero reason to draft Luton and I like the guy. He’s a career backup at best and we have 4 QBs already. He has zero chance of making the team imo. We’d be better off burning a 5th on a K/P. I actually really like Luton but that’s just wasteful imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, BayRaider said: Gruden loves his 4 QBs. And our group of 3 QBs right now is extremely underwhelming. There's zero chance we carry 4 QB's. Carr is in year 3 of the system and Mariota has started a ton of games. Unless you think he can be a good starter there's no real reason to invest draft capital into a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: Pittman has to be going pretty high in the 2nd right? Seems like such an awesome compliment to Ruggs. Probably mid 2nd at worst given the run on WRs. He’s the perfect compliment to Ruggs IMO but doubt we’ll have a shot at him. mayock admitted he’s had offers for 19. If he traded down to 25-29 and just for a 3rd (which is under trade value) wen could have used that pick and 91 to get up around 50 and got Pittman. Real shame he refused to take that trade. While I think Arnette could have been picked at 30/31 instead of those CBs and at worst would have fallen to 35-40, its going to be a costly mistake on Mayocks part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Bolded is guys I think are worth targeting left that I see off first glance.Jalen HurtsJacob Eason Jake Fromm James Morgan Anthony Gordon Jake Luton Nate StanleyDeAndre SwiftJK DobbinsJonathan TaylorCam AkersEno BenjaminZach Moss Antonio GibsonDarryngton Evans Anthony McFarlandAJ Dillion Lamical Perine KeShawn Vaughn Denzel MimsLaviska ShenaultTee HigginsMichael PittmanChase ClaypoolDonovan Peoples-Jones KJ Hamler Van Jefferson Bryan EdwardsKJ Hill Quartney Davis Lynn Bowden Gabriel DavisTyler Johnson Collin JohnsonDevin Duvernay James Proche Isaiah HodginsQuintez Cephus Antonio Golden-Gandy Benjimen VictorQuez Watkins Malcom Perry, QB Navy (dunno what position is correct he went HAM against Army though) Stephen Guidry Jeff Thomas Cole Kmet Adam Trautman Brycen Hopkins Thaddeus Moss Hunter BryantJosiah Deguara Harrison BryantJosh JonesEzra Cleveland Lloyd CushenberryJonah Jackson Lucas NiangMatt HennessyRobert Hunt Prince Tega Wanogho Matt Peart Saahdiq Charles Ben Bartch Damien Lewis Netane Muti Nick HarrisLogan Stenberg Tyler Biadasz Shane Lemieux John SimpsonBen Bredeson Hakeem Adeniji Michael Onwenu Cameron Clark Terence Steele Tyre PhillipsSolomon Kindley Charlie Heck Trey Adams Scott Frantz Jon Runyan Gage Cervenka Yetur Gross-MatosAJ EpenesaJosh Uche Terrell LewisJulian Okwara Curtis Weaver Jonathan GreenardDarrell Taylor Jabari ZunigaKhalid Kareem Bradlee Anae Alex Highsmith Kenny WillekesAlton Robinson Nick CoeJonathan Garvin Justin Strowbridge Afernee Jennings DJ Wonnum Tipa Galeai Chauncey Rivers Casey ToohillRoss BlacklockNeville Gallimore Marlon DavidsonJustin Madubuike Raekwon DavisDavon Hamilton Jordan Elliott Rashard LawrenceLarrell MurchisonLeki Fotu McTelvin Agim James LynchBenito JonesZach BaunMalik HarrisonWillie Gay JrAkeim Davis GaitherTroy DyeLogan Wilson Evan Weaver Joe Bachie JrDavion TaylorJustin Strnad David Woodward Shaquille Quarterman Jacob PhillipsKristian FultonTrevon DiggsJaylon Johnson Bryce HallCameron DantzlerAmik Robertson Troy PrideMichael OjemudiaReggie Robinson Darnay Holmes Harrison Hand Lamar JacksonDane Jackson AJ GreenXavier MckinneyGrant DelpitKyle DuggerAshtyn DavisJeremy ChinnAntoine Winfield Jr. Terrell BurgessKenny RobinsonBrandon JonesGeno StoneKVon WallaceAlohi Gillman Edited April 24, 2020 by Trojan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, BayRaider said: I’m thinkin 44-58 range. If he gets to 54, I’m calling the Bills. Just make it happen , don’t care how! Lol we need something like this to salvage things Edited April 24, 2020 by jimkelly02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Just make it happen , don’t care how! Lol we need something like this to salvage things I can see us coming out of tomorrow with 2 of 3 of: Bryan Edwards,Terrell Burgess, and Logan Wilson Plus a potential surprise player who drops to 80, like one of the CB/IDL. I don't think a trade for Pittman is necessary with Tyrell showing plenty as a good 2 when healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, NYRaider said: There's zero chance we carry 4 QB's. Carr is in year 3 of the system and Mariota has started a ton of games. Unless you think he can be a good starter there's no real reason to invest draft capital into a QB. Exactly thank you! It’s so easy and cliche to say “oh Gruden loves QBs and loves his pet projects at the position”. That may be true but he doesn’t have a long record of drafting QBs. Secondly, While he’s impulsive about acquiring players he likes at times he got his QB fix with Mariota. Mariota’s Gonna require a ton of his extra attention to get him competing: learning the system and fixing a few flaws. The term used when we signed him was “we need to build him back up”. He still also has Kizer, who we might not love but Gruden almost definitely sees potential in, he was a high pick with a good skill set physically just never put it all together. Gruden’s got to spend a lot of time and attention there. And we all know he thinks Peterman can start lol. My point is he’s already acquired his “guys” and he’s gotta know that he’s got limited time to work with them so he has to limit how many QBs we bring to camp and veterans are always his preference. There’s no room for a Rookie without starting potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I can see us coming out of tomorrow with 2 of 3 of: Bryan Edwards,Terrell Burgess, and Logan Wilson Plus a potential surprise player who drops to 80, like one of the CB/IDL. I don't think a trade for Pittman is necessary with Tyrell showing plenty as a good 2 when healthy. Bro! Can I at least get one thing I like around here for once, seriously! Lol i think substantially more of Pittman than Edwards personally. Not a fan of Wilson. Burgess i like cuZ he can cover slot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: My point is he’s already acquired his “guys” and he’s gotta know that he’s got limited time to work with them so he has to limit how many QBs we bring to camp and veterans are always his preference. There’s no room for a Rookie without starting potential. Throughout Jon Gruden's coaching career he has always preferred veteran quarterbacks. The only two young QB's that have ever started for Gruden were Chris Simms and Bruce Gradkowski. Other than that he has had a veteran QB in year 5 or later who was 27 or older. Also interesting to note that the only QB's drafted by a Jon Gruden coached team include: • Marques Tuiasosopo (2nd round, 2001) • Chris Simms (3rd round, 2003) • Bruce Gradkowski (6th round, 2006) • Josh Johnson (5th round, 2008) Edited April 24, 2020 by NYRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Bro! Can I at least get one thing I like around here for once, seriously! Lol i think substantially more of Pittman than Edwards personally. Not a fan of Wilson. Burgess i like cuZ he can cover slot. LOL. No you can't. I think Edwards and Pittman are similar as players, but Edwards played against the cream of the crop in the SEC and ran hot and cold, whereas Pittman played against a pretty pitiful conference and dominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: LOL. No you can't. I think Edwards and Pittman are similar as players, but Edwards played against the cream of the crop in the SEC and ran hot and cold, whereas Pittman played against a pretty pitiful conference and dominated. Lol thanks I’m just very leery of Edwards... most of his catches and yards were off screens... remove those and his numbers are very poor only 4 deep passes on 71 rec/ 816 yards 36catches screens. Was only 17/38 on passes over 10 yards on the air, for a poor 44%. You can chalk some of that up to bad QB and scheme, but it’s s major concern. He’s okay but he didn’t excite me making plays that translates to the NFL. i think Pittman is significantly a better prospect than Edwards. Pittman will be a very good gunner on ST, too. I think he or Higgins would be great WRs to eventual replace Williams or move Ruggs to the slot on some plays and play outside with Williams. Edited April 24, 2020 by jimkelly02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Lol thanks I’m just very leery of Edwards... most of his catches and yards were off screens... remove those and his numbers are very poor only 4 deep passes on 71 rec/ 816 yards 36catches screens. Was only 17/38 on passes over 10 yards on the air, for a poor 44%. You can chalk some of that up to bad QB and scheme, but it’s s major concern. He’s okay but he didn’t excite me making plays that translates to the NFL. i think Pittman is significantly a better prospect than Edwards. Pittman will be a very good gunner on ST, too. I think he or Higgins would be great WRs to eventual replace Williams or move Ruggs to the slot on some plays and play outside with Williams. Too tired to argue now. I watched his all 22 that crock posted on twitter vs alabama and was very impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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