MrOaktown_56 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He also wasn't putting his defense in a bad position by leaving points on the board. Brady threw 28 TD/0 INT in the red zone and Carr threw 15 TD/1 INT in the red zone. They had the 7th best red zone TD% in the league and we had the 24th best. We also led the NFL in red zone FGA. How is being 7th in points per drive bad? Even with the RZ miscues, a lot of which fall on gruden. Carr was not putting the defense in a bad position. That’s a ridiculous take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: Yeah I’m aware. But Goff was a product of McVays system and eventually became a liability. Carr was one of the best deep passers in the league last year and is playing with a coach who is incredibly inferior to mcvay in terms of play design/red zone execution. Not to mention Goff benefited from a great running game which opened up play action when he was at his best. We’ve never had that kind of production from the running game. You think McVay wouldn’t take Carr over Goff straight up? Carr and Stafford have a lot of similarities as players. Goff was the former #1 overall pick, so to say he was totally a product of the system is meh. Our running game was pretty much on par with the Rams the last two seasons. https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-stats-top-10-deep-passers-of-2020-aaron-rodgers-lands-at-no-4 Based on this, Daniel Jones is the best deep passer in the NFL. Is he better than Carr? It's debatable, he was willing to give up Goff and 2 1sts for Stafford though. Who I think any team in the league would take over Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Goff was the former #1 overall pick, so to say he was totally a product of the system is meh. Our running game was pretty much on par with the Rams the last two seasons. https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-stats-top-10-deep-passers-of-2020-aaron-rodgers-lands-at-no-4 Based on this, Daniel Jones is the best deep passer in the NFL. Is he better than Carr? It's debatable, he was willing to give up Goff and 2 1sts for Stafford though. Who I think any team in the league would take over Carr. The last 2 seasons Goff regressed with a similar run game whereas Carr thrived. The Daniel jones comparison sucks because you can look at PFF, passer rating, DVOA, CPOE, and whatever else you like. I don’t need to cherry pick one stat. But I know you won’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: How is being 7th in points per drive bad? Even with the RZ miscues, a lot of which fall on gruden. Carr was not putting the defense in a bad position. That’s a ridiculous take. Carr's inability to finish drives with TD's definitely put our defense in a bad spot. As did his 2nd most turnovers in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, MrOaktown_56 said: The last 2 seasons Goff regressed with a similar run game whereas Carr thrived. The Daniel jones comparison sucks because you can look at PFF, passer rating, DVOA, CPOE, and whatever else you like. I don’t need to cherry pick one stat. But I know you won’t. Carr didn't thrive in 2019. And he absolutely fell apart the last 6 games of the season both years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Carr didn't thrive in 2019. And he absolutely fell apart the last 6 games of the season both years. He had a passer rating over 100 with a mediocre receiving group in 2019. Then this year he got some more downfield threats and took off. And he absolutely didn't fall apart over the last 6 this year. We've been over this many times. We're going to include picks off of drops, tipped passes, an incredible interception by kenny moore to bring up TD/Int ratio and the like. It's a sorry narrative that removes context and downplays the defense gave up 34 PPG in that span. It's okay for you to think what you want, but if you think slightly better play from Carr would have made the difference down the stretch, that's being delusional. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Carr's inability to finish drives with TD's definitely put our defense in a bad spot. As did his 2nd most turnovers in the league. Yes it was definitely his inability. I'd love for you to break down how the redzone miscues were his fault. And not a product of Gruden or the exceptionally poor RZ run game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Saw this forum thread was hot and knew right away we were arguing about the same stuff again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Geezy said: Also wasn’t in position to have to win every week, he had defense to lean on Minimizing turnovers helps his defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Yes it was definitely his inability. I'd love for you to break down how the redzone miscues were his fault. And not a product of Gruden or the exceptionally poor RZ run game. It's the blinders bro. 🧱 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Yes it was definitely his inability. I'd love for you to break down how the redzone miscues were his fault. And not a product of Gruden or the exceptionally poor RZ run game. All 3 was a problem. Bad play calling. Stupid personal packages. Lack of creativity. Carr lack of improvising. All played a role. I mean, how many times he had carr roll to the right with one pass catcher on that side was mind blowing to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 42 minutes ago, Jerry said: Saw this forum thread was hot and knew right away we were arguing about the same stuff again. Lmao for real, it’s like talking to a brick wall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Minimizing turnovers helps his defense Ok bro, Carr’s the reason our defense sucks. You win. He’s gives them leads with 19 seconds left with no time outs but it’s his fault we still lose. Got it 🙌🏽 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Yes it was definitely his inability. I'd love for you to break down how the redzone miscues were his fault. #BlameGruden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Quickly reminded why I don’t come in here as much lol see y’all week 1 Go Raiders! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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