NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, ronjon1990 said: Must be nice having HoF linemen, RBs, WRs, coaches, GMs, etc. to elevate .500 Peyton. Dude clearly was an average hack. His first 4 years proved that. 🤷🏼♂️ 5 MVP awards, 2 Super Bowls, and 14 Pro Bowls. Peyton has twice as many Super Bowls as Carr has winning seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: If the objective of playing football was to lose games, Carr would be the GOAT. Couldn't do it without the team helping him. Every GOAT knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) Just now, NYRaider said: 5 MVP awards, 2 Super Bowls, and 14 Pro Bowls. Peyton has twice as many Super Bowls as Carr has winning seasons. Yep, being surrounded by HoF talent can take a mediocre .500 QB to the promised land. Thanks for the reminder. Edited June 14, 2021 by ronjon1990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 You'd rather build around a 43 year old Brady than a 30 year old Carr.... That is all I need to know. Do you care to answer my questions? Detroit is an even bigger dumpster fire then the Raiders. Haha 100 percent your subjective opinion, which is clearly flawed. Carr has been surrounded by plenty of offensive talent at different stages of his career and has never been a prolific passer. Another one of your worthless opinion pieces. Do you care to name these offensive talents you speak of? The only elite talent Carr has had is Waller and he is a TE. His WR's have been amongst the worst in the NFL YOY and played with a D that was ranked worst D of the decade. https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/18/espn-names-raiders-as-worst-defense-of-decade/ You still have not answered my questions as to where Stafford fits into the your QB rankings based on your metrics. Your prior posts have have been using statistics and W/L to try to prove your point, now I ask you where Stafford fits based on your metrics and you bring your opinion. Based on your metrics your saying Sean McVey is a fool for trading 2 1st round picks and a 26 year old Goff for a 33 year old Stafford. I just want to make sure I am understanding your thought process.. If I am missing something please elaborate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: Couldn't do it without the team helping him. Every GOAT knows that. Carr folding down the stretch definitely helped the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, Frankie2Gunz said: You'd rather build around a 43 year old Brady than a 30 year old Carr.... That is all I need to know. Do you care to answer my questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: Tampa Bay didn't build around Brady. The bulk of their talent was already there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: You still have not answered my questions as to where Stafford fits into the your QB rankings based on your metrics. Your prior posts have have been using statistics and W/L to try to prove your point, now I ask you where Stafford fits based on your metrics and you bring your opinion. Based on your metrics your saying Sean McVey is a fool for trading 2 1st round picks and a 26 year old Goff for a 33 year old Stafford. I just want to make sure I am understanding your thought process.. If I am missing something please elaborate.... If the Raiders win more games then the Rams I'll never post again, if they don't you never post again. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: Tampa Bay didn't build around Brady. The bulk of their talent was already there. They were 7-9 in 2019 with a horrible defense and hadn't won a playoff game since they beat us in the Super Bowl before Brady showed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Do you care to explain why he averaged 26TD and 10INT his last two years in NE? I also will ask you if Bill Belachick was given the opportunity to take Carr or Brady right now who do you believe would he take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: They were 7-9 in 2019 with a horrible defense and hadn't won a playoff game since they beat us in the Super Bowl before Brady showed up. I don't care what the Bucs and Gruden fell apart into (telling, though...I sense a theme). Between 2017 and 2019, the Buccaneers added ton of talent. But yes, you're right, Brady simply showed up. They didn't build around him, they inserted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: If the Raiders win more games then the Rams I'll never post again, if they don't you never post again. Deal? LOL What makes you think I believe the Raiders are a better team than the Rams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, Frankie2Gunz said: Do you care to explain why he averaged 26TD and 10INT his last two years in NE? I also will ask you if Bill Belachick was given the opportunity to take Carr or Brady right now who do you believe would he take? He had even worse weapons around him then Carr has ever had and still won 11-12 games every year. Dude is just a winner plain and simple. And definitely Brady, without a doubt. Patriots went what 7-9 without Brady? Brady just won the Super Bowl. Brady has 6x more Super Bowl W's than Carr has winning seasons, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: I don't care what the Bucs and Gruden fell apart into (telling, though...I sense a theme). Between 2017 and 2019, the Buccaneers added ton of talent. But yes, you're right, Brady simply showed up. They didn't build around him, they inserted him. The Brady effect was on full display when you have a leader who's a winner, you win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Frankie2Gunz said: LOL What makes you think I believe the Raiders are a better team than the Rams? It all starts at QB, Carr has proven at his peak, he's getting you to 8-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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