Arthur Penske Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Marquez Valdez-Scantling - 6 targets, 4 catches, 96 yards, 1 TD. Entire 2020 WR draft class - 67 targets, 40 receptions, 559 yards, 1 TD. Average rookie - 2.4 targets, 1.4 receptions, 20.7 yards. The best rookie had 6 targets for 5 receptions and 59 yards (Ceedee Lamb). 2020 leading receivers: Davante Adams is #1 with 14 receptions, 156 yards, 2 TD. MVS is 17th in receiving yards. MVS is in first place in yards per reception. He's 5th in yards per target. That's great and I value and expect things from MVS as much as you. But this is literally based off the first game of those rookie's career. Let's pump the breaks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Just now, packfanfb said: Before I jump on the MVS has arrived train, I want to see him stack some success. He's had big games before and then he disappears for 2 weeks, whether that's on him or 12. I want to 2-3 games in a row where he looks like a No. 2 (4-6 recs, 40-100 yards). Then we'll have something. He has an opportunity this week for another big game, then Week 3 will be the first big test for him because instead of going up against Danzler and Detroit's No. 3-4 (due to injuries), he'll be dealing with Janoris Jenkins or Patrick Robinson, two vets. I'm mostly just pointing out how it wasn't a terrible decision to skip a WR this year in light of COVID-19. Jeudy, Lamb, etc have higher potential in the long run, but this year? I don't think any rookie receiver is going to eclipse MVS's numbers this year. Last year, 59 receptions was the rookie high. 2018 the high was 64. 2017 the high was 62. 2016 it was Michael Thomas at 92, then second place of 65. 2015 it was 72. I'm just trying to dispel the notion that rookie receivers come right in and have immediate impacts. These highs are HIGHS. Meaning, for every 59, 64, 62, 92, 72 reception season, you get 20 some who have 5-20 receptions. Since 2010, 36 rookie receivers had over 50 receptions. 459 rookie receivers had under 20 receptions. That's 6% of rookie receivers over 50 receptions. 78% under 20. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Just now, Arthur Penske said: That's great and I value and expect things from MVS as much as you. But this is literally based off the first game of those rookie's career. Let's pump the breaks. No, let's not pump the breaks. 6% of rookie receivers since 2010 had over 50 receptions. 77% have had under 20. The question at hand and what I'm pointing out is how often rookie receivers have significant first year impacts and whether or not we should have drafted a receiver to help Rodgers for this year. They don't. Especially in years without a preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Outpost31 said: No, let's not pump the breaks. 6% of rookie receivers since 2010 had over 50 receptions. 77% have had under 20. The question at hand and what I'm pointing out is how often rookie receivers have significant first year impacts and whether or not we should have drafted a receiver to help Rodgers for this year. They don't. Especially in years without a preseason. if you don't think any of those early WRs from 2020 are going to contribute down the line ( beyond 2020 is in consideration), you're being pretty obtuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: if you don't think any of those early WRs from 2020 are going to contribute down the line ( beyond 2020 is in consideration), you're being pretty obtuse. I’ve said it twice I’ll say it a third time: I am talking about this year. Yes, Lamb, Jeudy, etc have higher upside than MVS. That’s not what I’m discussing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Outpost31 said: I’ve said it twice I’ll say it a third time: I am talking about this year. Yes, Lamb, Jeudy, etc have higher upside than MVS. That’s not what I’m discussing. why is the discussion limited to just this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I love me some MVS, but holly cherry picking, Batman. MVS also dropped 33% of his touches and benefited from a great QB having a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, squire12 said: why is the discussion limited to just this year? Because of the people who insisted we needed to draft a receiver for this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 ESB to IR. By the time he gets back, he may be so far behind MVS and Lazard that this could be another lost season for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusGluteus Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Mazrimiv said: ESB to IR. By the time he gets back, he may be so far behind MVS and Lazard that this could be another lost season for him. I believe IR can be as little as 3 games this year. It doesn't necessarily mean he won't be out longer, but if it's only 3 games I don't think it'll be a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) Yes, it's only 3 weeks, but that's 3 weeks for MVS and Lazard to entrench themselves ahead of him. It's not like his name was popping off the page in the TC reports. He'll need an MVS or Lazard injury to have any kind of meaningful impact... or for one of them to go in the tank like MVS did last season. Edited September 20, 2020 by Mazrimiv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 On 9/18/2020 at 10:39 AM, Outpost31 said: No, let's not pump the breaks. 6% of rookie receivers since 2010 had over 50 receptions. 77% have had under 20. The question at hand and what I'm pointing out is how often rookie receivers have significant first year impacts and whether or not we should have drafted a receiver to help Rodgers for this year. They don't. Especially in years without a preseason. I’m okay that the team didn’t draft a wr high and liked the Love pick. With that said, playing contrarians, using just the barometer of 50 receptions is misleading. Context like team depth, special teams value, round drafted is missing. Someone like Laviska Shenault probably could have been a Deebo Samuel for us and gotten 5 touches a game by the end of season and been a valuable asset in a playoff run. We are a tweaked ankle away from giving Malik Taylor major run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Lazard was the only WR not named Adams I had any real hopes/expectations for heading into the season. If week 1 MVS shows up every week, that will be a huge boost for the offense, and is certainly more than could have been hoped for from any rookie WR. If week 1 MVS can show up every week with better hands, that would be even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deps Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Given that they put St. Brown on IR without anyone signing in his place and didn't do the same for Lane Taylor, I'd guess that the injury will be closer to three weeks and they wanted to start the clock. Like I said, just a guess, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I can't believe the Packer are really playing with just three WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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