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Predict the Final 53: The Far Too Early Version


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1 hour ago, battle2heaven said:

Maybe I'm higher than most on Holton Hill, but I think barring him being a moron, he's kinda entrenched as a starting boundary corner and can run away with it. He's really talented and has the size and length to go to battle with some of the bigger X receivers the Vikings will face next year.

I think Hill and Hughes are your starting corners; with Hughes pushed inside for nickel and Gladney coming in as a boundary. 

Yea I agree

I think Hill gets one of the two boundary CB positions, and then Hughes or Gladney for the other boundary CB spot... My preference would be Hughes gets the 2nd boundary spot, and Gladney is the slot CB.

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1 hour ago, battle2heaven said:

Maybe I'm higher than most on Holton Hill, but I think barring him being a moron, he's kinda entrenched as a starting boundary corner and can run away with it. He's really talented and has the size and length to go to battle with some of the bigger X receivers the Vikings will face next year.

I think Hill and Hughes are your starting corners; with Hughes pushed inside for nickel and Gladney coming in as a boundary. 

I've never been that impressed with Hill.

He played zone almost exclusively at Texas. And with the Vikings he's also mostly played zone, frequently matched up on lesser WRs. On the few occasions where he's had to roll up and cover a good receiver man-to-man, it hasn't gone great.

Here's the all-22 of his game against the Bears in week 17:

He doesn't have to do much (many plays there is no receiver challenging his zone) and he still gives up a couple of wide open receivers over the middle: a deep completion to Allan Robinson and what would've been a TD on the play before that if Trubisky hadn't bailed on a clean pocket.

I remember the famous Zimmer line about being able to find a cover-2 corner at 7-Eleven. I think that's what they see Hill as -- a zone corner but not good enough to build a coverage scheme around.

Dantzler's tape is much more impressive than Hill's from his draft year. I doubt they'll work more than one rookie into the top 3 corners immediately, but as the year goes on, I think Hill will slide down to 4th on the depth chart. 

 

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7 hours ago, battle2heaven said:

Why do you feel Gladney should be the slot and not Hughes?

Hughes is fully capable of boundary.

Think Gladney talent translates to slot more.

Also gives more potential backup CB boundary snaps to Danz, whose skills basically only translate to boundary... Who if progression goes well could get a starting boundary spot next year

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No longer way too early — 53 man roster will be finalized on Saturday.

QB (2) Cousins, Mannion
RB/FB (5) Cook, Mattison, Boone, Abdullah, Ham
WR (6) Thielen, Jefferson, Bisi, Beebe, Hollins, Osborn (PR)
TE (3) Rudolph, Irv Smith, Conklin
OL (10) Reiff, Dozier 🙄, Bradbury, Elflein, O'Neill, Hill, Collins, Cleveland, Samia, Udoh

DE (5) Hunter, Ngakoue, Odenigbo, Holmes, Wonnum
DT (5) Stephen, Johnson, Watts, Mata’afa, Lynch
LB (5) Kendricks, Barr, Wilson, Dye, Fehr
CB (5) Hughes, Hill, Gladney, Dantzler, Boyd
S (4) Smith, Harris, Metellus, Chisena

ST (3) Bailey, Colquitt, Cutting

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QB (2) Cousins, Mannion
RB/FB (4) Cook, Mattison, Boone, Ham
WR (6) Thielen, Jefferson, Bisi, Sharpe, Hollins, Osborn
TE (3) Rudolph, Irv Smith, Conklin
OL (10) Reiff, Dozier 🙄, Bradbury, Elflein, O'Neill, Hill, Cleveland, Samia, Collins, Udoh

DE (5) Hunter, Ngakoue, Odenigbo, Wonnum, Willekes
DT (5) Stephen, Johnson, Watts, Mata’afa, Lynch
LB (5) Kendricks, Barr, Wilson, Dye, Fehr
CB (6) Hughes, Hill, GladneyDantzler, Boyd, Clarke
S (4) Smith, Harris, MetellusDorn

ST (3) Bailey, Colquitt, Cutting

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On 4/27/2020 at 10:45 AM, swede700 said:

QB(2):  Kirk Cousins, Sean Mannion

HB/FB(4) Dalvin Cook, Alexander Mattison, Mike Boone, CJ Ham

WR (6) Adam Thielen, Justin Jefferson, Tajae Sharpe, Olabisi Johnson, Alexander Hollins, KJ Osborn

TE (3) Kyle Rudolph, Irv Smith, Jr, Tyler Conklin

OL (9):  Riley Reiff, Brian O'Neill, Garrett Bradbury, Pat Elflein, Dakota Dozier, Ezra Cleveland,  Dru Samia, Rashod Hill, Oli Udoh

DL (10):  Danielle Hunter, Yannick Ngakoue, Jaleel Johnson, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Shamar Stephen, Eddie Yarbrough, Armon Watts, Jalyn Holmes, Hercules Ma'atafa,  DJ Wonnum

LB (5):  Anthony Barr, Eric Kendricks, Eric Wilson, Troy Dye, Jordan Fehr

CB (7) Mike Hughes, Holton Hill, , Cameron Dantzler, Jeff Gladney, Kris Boyd, Harrison Hand, Mark Fields

S (4):  Harrison Smith, Anthony Harris, Steven Parker, Josh Metellus

Specialists (3): Dan Bailey, Britton Colquitt, Austin Cutting

Notable Cuts:  Chad Beebe,  Anthony Zettel, Ben Gedeon, Brett Jones, Ameer Abdullah

 

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15 minutes ago, swede700 said:

That's a bold move, having a guy who just moved to S a day or so ago making the team.

Aside from the need to have Kearse and Sendejo play nickel last year, Zimmer has basically never used the backup safeties except late in blowouts or as injury replacements. I think Metellus is the 3rd safety and would be first up if either Smith or Harris went down. S4 is only going to play if 2 of the top 3 get hurt at the same time.

Their other options for S4 are street free agents (like Parker) who could be added back to the roster anytime mid-season, in case of injury, or low ceiling rookies (like Dorn) who would easily make it to the practice squad. Really no need to roster those guys.

Chisena has a path to the roster even as a rookie as a special teams gunner. Arif tweeted that he had 3 special teams tackles in the short scrimmage at USBank last week, which is impressive. I think they probably asked him to switch positions this week because they’re looking for a way to keep him on the 53.

If he was just a developmental long shot, practice squad lock this year, they might as well leave him at WR and see if he can learn some route running techniques as the year goes on. Switching positions now to the one spot where they clearly have a hole on the roster seems like an attempt to keep him on the team.

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QB (2) Cousins, Mannion
RB/FB (4) Cook, Mattison, Boone, Ham
WR (6) Thielen, Jefferson, Bisi, Sharpe, Hollins, Osborn
TE (3) Rudolph, Irv Smith, Conklin
OL (10) Reiff, Dozier , Bradbury, Elflein, O'Neill, Hill, Cleveland, Samia, Collins, Udoh

DE (5) Hunter, Ngakoue, Odenigbo, Holmes, Wonnum 
DT (5) Stephen, Johnson, Watts, Mata’afa, Lynch
LB (5) Kendricks, Barr, Wilson, Dye, Fehr
CB (6) Hughes, Hill, Gladney, Dantzler, Boyd, Clarke
S (4) Smith, Harris, Metellus,  Meadors

ST (3) Bailey, Colquitt, Cutting

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29 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said:

Wasn't there talk about moving Hand to safety when he was drafted? I'm surprised they haven't tried that with how far down he seems to be on the cb depth chart

I don't think the team ever mentioned it. A few of us were speculating it might happen. 

I haven't heard anything good or bad about him in camp, not even sure he's playing with the 2nd team. I think he probably ends up on the practice squad, and they keep either Fields or Clarke as a 6th CB, if they keep 6. 

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