Trojan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: It is hyperbole, but I do love Phillips and he can play all over. That being said, is the a need/place for him? Injury history is a big concern with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, Trojan said: Injury history is a big concern with him As of late though he's played all his games? If doctors clear him I'm good with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 hours ago, oakdb36 said: Freak genes I want to like him, but ya know..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: As of late though he's played all his games? If doctors clear him I'm good with it. three concussions bad enough to make him retire from football is kinda sorta a huge red flag though it's not just the concussions his wrist damage is potentially huge as well he has 3 bones removed from severe ligament damage from an auto accident. "Phillips broke his left wrist and needed multiple surgeries, including one that removed three bones because of ligament damage. He was able to start the first game of the 2018 season, but even then, he played in excruciating pain because the small bones in his wrist were rubbing against one another constantly. He sustained another concussion in his fourth game, and UCLA doctors declared him out for the season in mid-October." (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30064775/former-top-recruit-jaelan-phillips-finds-second-chance-miami) When he was done with football he quit working out. He was down to ~220 when he got to Miami. To then gain roughly 50 pounds in 7 months is pretty nuts. That's an almost suspicious body transformation for a guy that if he wanted football to work out needed to come back fast in a big way. He's a Jordan Reed at Defensive End. First round talent with 3 collegiate concussions. Reed fell to the mid 3rd, in a deep TE class though (Eifert Ertz Kelce all went before him). I dunno where I'd be comfortable drafting him, but it's not with our first for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, Trojan said: three concussions bad enough to make him retire from football is kinda sorta a huge red flag though it's not just the concussions his wrist damage is potentially huge as well he has 3 bones removed from severe ligament damage from an auto accident. "Phillips broke his left wrist and needed multiple surgeries, including one that removed three bones because of ligament damage. He was able to start the first game of the 2018 season, but even then, he played in excruciating pain because the small bones in his wrist were rubbing against one another constantly. He sustained another concussion in his fourth game, and UCLA doctors declared him out for the season in mid-October." (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30064775/former-top-recruit-jaelan-phillips-finds-second-chance-miami) When he was done with football he quit working out. He was down to ~220 when he got to Miami. To then gain roughly 50 pounds in 7 months is pretty nuts. That's an almost suspicious body transformation for a guy that if he wanted football to work out needed to come back fast in a big way. He's a Jordan Reed at Defensive End. First round talent with 3 collegiate concussions. Reed fell to the mid 3rd, in a deep TE class though (Eifert Ertz Kelce all went before him). I dunno where I'd be comfortable drafting him, but it's not with our first for me. Defensive ends in the NFL will not be at a huge risk for getting concussed. It happened to Ferrell, but besides that I can't remember the last time. He has a rare combination of abilities and polish. We may eschew DL entirely and go for a good OT, but when we look back on this draft in 2-3 years, I hope we didn't have to pass him up and watch him become a perennial double digit sack guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Defensive ends in the NFL will not be at a huge risk for getting concussed. It happened to Ferrell, but besides that I can't remember the last time. He has a rare combination of abilities and polish. We may eschew DL entirely and go for a good OT, but when we look back on this draft in 2-3 years, I hope we didn't have to pass him up and watch him become a perennial double digit sack guy. I disagree. Anyone concussed three + times in a year or two that is advised to not play sports is at risk for more concussions. Bending the edge and shoved to the ground is a fast movement that rattles the brain. He might play 10 years or whatever, but he's still going to be an elevated concussion risk not only the rest of his playing career but the rest of his life. I don't disagree he's a top DE though talent wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Trojan said: I disagree. Anyone concussed three + times in a year or two that is advised to not play sports is at risk for more concussions. Bending the edge and shoved to the ground is a fast movement that rattles the brain. He might play 10 years or whatever, but he's still going to be an elevated concussion risk not only the rest of his playing career but the rest of his life. I don't disagree he's a top DE though talent wise. I finished my neurology block. I know the risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2021 Football Information/03 19 21 - Round-By-Round Order for 2021 NFL Draft.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: It is hyperbole, but I do love Phillips and he can play all over. That being said, is the a need/place for him? Yes. If we wanted to use him as an excuse to move on from Ferrell next year, I'd be 100% cool with it. If we used him and he flashed, it might help with the inevitable contract dispute with Ngakoue. If we learn how to blitz LBs, sweet. Either he or Yannick could line up there in certain packages. Imagine having, say, Phillips, Ngakoue, and Crosby all on the field at once (even moreso if we wind up with a stud DT)...that's called a pass rush. If he's there, I'd jump on him. I think he's got game changing potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Yes. If we wanted to use him as an excuse to move on from Ferrell next year, I'd be 100% cool with it. If we used him and he flashed, it might help with the inevitable contract dispute with Ngakoue. If we learn how to blitz LBs, sweet. Either he or Yannick could line up there in certain packages. Imagine having, say, Phillips, Ngakoue, and Crosby all on the field at once (even moreso if we wind up with a stud DT)...that's called a pass rush. If he's there, I'd jump on him. I think he's got game changing potential. SF made it to the super bowl because of stellar DL play. If we can find a way to get a tackle, i'm still fine going DL in round 1. But we also need a free safety and I don't know how we're gonan get one at this rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 18 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Between Vickers/Thomas/Jefferson, I doubt all of them make the team. We carried 8-9 DL last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we do again and draft a DT on day 2, who by the way would be the only DT we have under contract next year. Day 2 is the sweet spot for DT, especially round 2. All these guys have flashed but we got them for a reason. None of them are sure things/world-beaters. If there is a guy in the draft who can be that, take him. since last year I’ve screamed we should add a back Up NT. For a 4th to 6th round pick you can find a Hankins future replacement. marvin Wilson Tyler Shelvin Alim McNeil K. Tonga BYU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: since last year I’ve screamed we should add a back Up NT. For a 4th to 6th round pick you can find a Hankins future replacement. marvin Wilson Tyler Shelvin Alim McNeil K. Tonga BYU Someone. Just bring in a body who can develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: SF made it to the super bowl because of stellar DL play. If we can find a way to get a tackle, i'm still fine going DL in round 1. But we also need a free safety and I don't know how we're gonan get one at this rate. Rounds 1-3 are gonna be interesting, given that we (currently) have 4 picks in the top 80, with potential to gain some more picks via trade on draft day. We could easily go: Phillips rd 1 FS rd 2 DT and OT or CB rd 3 CB or OT rd 4 I think we could be in a spot to get some really good value in the draft at positions we still have a need for, without necessarily sacrificing a BPA/semi-luxury type of pick (which I think Phillips would be). Or we could always wind up using one of thr 3rds to trade for one of the positions listed. I wouldn't fret the options too much yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 We got pick #200 back from the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 17 - Tevin Jenkins | OT | Oklahoma State 48 - Jamin Davis | LB | Kentucky 79 - Andre Cisco | FS | Syracuse 80 - Quincy Roche | Edge | Miami (FL) 121 - Tyler Shelvin | NT | LSU 162 - Joshua Bledsoe | DB | Missouri 167 - Anthony Schwartz | WR | Auburn 200 - Tay Gowan | CB | UCF Edited March 20, 2021 by NYRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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