ronjon1990 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Slanted agenda? We'll just look at it from a points allowed perspective. In Seattle his defenses ranked 25th (2009), 25th (2010), 7th (2011), 1st (2012). In the 4 seasons after he left they ranked 1st (2013), 1st (2014), 2nd (2015), 5th (2016). He was there at the beginning of the LOB but all of those guys and their defense in general improved after he left. In Jacksonville his defenses ranked 28th (2013), 26th (2014), 31st (2015), 25th (2016). In Los Angeles his defenses ranked 3rd (2017), 8th (2018), 14th (2019), and 23rd (2020). So with the Chargers his defenses got progressively worse over his 4 year tenure to the point that they fired their coaching staff. If he's a great coach/developer of talent why did they get worse every year he was there? I'm not super excited about him, but let's give him some credit on some things we haven't had in these parts for a while. He left before the LOB hit full swing, but he helped create it. I wouldn't be so inclined, but then he assembled the makings of the Sacksonville D. Too bad he got fired before he could be credited with how they played. And in Los Angeles, they dealt with a good few injuries to key guys during his stint. I'm not saying his COACHING is great, and I'm not trying to gloss over your points of teams improving after he goes or the Chargers regressing. But the guy clearly has an eye for TALENT SCOUTING. Fixing our D will realistically take 2-3 seasons of we're being honest. I don't expect us to go from worst to first in the AFCW, much less the AFC, and certainly not the NFL. But if Bradley's trend continues, we could very well have a brewing monster awaiting whether he's ultimately retained or sent packing. Not a bad potential consolation prize if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpaulthe1st Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Slanted agenda? We'll just look at it from a points allowed perspective. In Seattle his defenses ranked 25th (2009), 25th (2010), 7th (2011), 1st (2012). In the 4 seasons after he left they ranked 1st (2013), 1st (2014), 2nd (2015), 5th (2016). He was there at the beginning of the LOB but all of those guys and their defense in general improved after he left. In Jacksonville his defenses ranked 28th (2013), 26th (2014), 31st (2015), 25th (2016). In Los Angeles his defenses ranked 3rd (2017), 8th (2018), 14th (2019), and 23rd (2020). So with the Chargers his defenses got progressively worse over his 4 year tenure to the point that they fired their coaching staff. If he's a great coach/developer of talent why did they get worse every year he was there? No disrespect intended I just noticed that your style of debate is to formulate an opinion (some of which I agree with) and then seek out stats that support your opinion while disregarding context. Nothing wrong with it but doesn’t lend itself to insightful discussion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: I'm not super excited about him, but let's give him some credit on some things we haven't had in these parts for a while. He left before the LOB hit full swing, but he helped create it. I wouldn't be so inclined, but then he assembled the makings of the Sacksonville D. Too bad he got fired before he could be credited with how they played. And in Los Angeles, they dealt with a good few injuries to key guys during his stint. I'm not saying his COACHING is great, and I'm not trying to gloss over your points of teams improving after he goes or the Chargers regressing. But the guy clearly has an eye for TALENT SCOUTING. Fixing our D will realistically take 2-3 seasons of we're being honest. I don't expect us to go from worst to first in the AFCW, much less the AFC, and certainly not the NFL. But if Bradley's trend continues, we could very well have a brewing monster awaiting whether he's ultimately retained or sent packing. Not a bad potential consolation prize if you ask me. That's all I'm saying. We can't ignore the good things that he's done. Gunther on the other.... 1. Hand inherited a defense that Mike Zimmer and Marvin Lewis created that was already 4th lowest points allowed/3rd lowest points allowed 2. had never coached a defense with a rookie starter or a starter younger than 24 years old on it all of his years in Cincinnati. Two completely different caliber of defensive coordinators Edited April 2, 2021 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: Fixing our D will realistically take 2-3 seasons of we're being honest. Which is pathetic considering we've spent 3 1sts and a 2nd on defensive players over the last two drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 In Todd McShay's newest 2 round mock draft he has us going Trevon Moehrig #17 and Sam Cosmi at #48. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Which is pathetic considering we've spent 3 1sts and a 2nd on defensive players over the last two drafts. When you look at how much we've spent just on the D-line for objectively poor results over the last 5+ years, it's even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: When you look at how much we've spent just on the D-line for objectively poor results over the last 5+ years, it's even worse. In the last 30 years we've only drafted 5 DL in the 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 42 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Which is pathetic considering we've spent 3 1sts and a 2nd on defensive players over the last two drafts. Not to mention pumped in serious cash to failed players like Joyner etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 3 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: He left before the LOB hit full swing, but he helped create it. I'd give Kris Richard more create for helping build/develop the LOB then I'd give Bradley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 53 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: When you look at how much we've spent just on the D-line for objectively poor results over the last 5+ years, it's even worse. I think poor coaching is a lot of that. But the drafts haven't been up to snuff. Mayock has done decent, but we need some defensive production this year. DB's do take time though so the 1st to 2nd year/2nd to 3rd year jumps could be decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, NYRaider said: In the last 30 years we've only drafted 5 DL in the 1st round. Not just 1st round. When you look at how much we've thrown at it rounds 1-3 with practically nothing to show for it, it's stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I'd give Kris Richard more create for helping build/develop the LOB then I'd give Bradley. Richard can have more credit, I just don't think it's that easy to discount Bradley. Like I said, I think he has more of an eye for talent than coaching skill. If all he does for us is sets us up with players someone else can mold into a respectable D, he'll have already done more than Gruden and Mayock lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Like I said, I think he has more of an eye for talent than coaching skill. If all he does for us is sets us up with players someone else can mold into a respectable D, he'll have already done more than Gruden and Mayock lol I think it's iffy to say he has an eye for talent. Pete Carroll was making the personnel decisions for the Seahawks and their defense didn't miss a beat once he left. The LOB literally got better under Quinn and Richard. In Jacksonville his defenses were terrible all 4 years there and in LA the Chargers got progressively worse every year he was the DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 I've been able to watch some more Moehrig and I'm getting more comfortable with potentially taking him at #17 especially with how deep the OT class is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: I'd give Kris Richard more create for helping build/develop the LOB then I'd give Bradley. Except for the part where he also developed KJ Wright & Bobby Wagner also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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