BayRaider Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, OnlyGlove said: If he's that good off the edge, why would you ever waste him at LB? Would you actually want to play him over Ngakoue and Crosby on passing situations on the edge? He's not the next Mack it doesn't matter how much we want him to be the next Mack. He does have the atheltisum to do it all but not the fluidity to play constant coverage, and terrible processing and awareness. Almost every single evaluation agrees he’ll develop amazing coverage skills. Then, JOK has literally nothing on him. And no one thinks he’ll be the next Mack, it’s not even the same position. Maybe the next Patrick Willis, although I don’t want to get to ahead of myself. And yes I’d take Patrick Willis #1 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, OnlyGlove said: If he's that good off the edge, why would you ever waste him at LB? Would you actually want to play him over Ngakoue and Crosby on passing situations on the edge? He's not the next Mack it doesn't matter how much we want him to be the next Mack. He does have the atheltisum to do it all but not the fluidity to play constant coverage, and terrible processing and awareness. IIRC Mack played primarily OLB at Buffalo as well. Parsons is still learning the position but his physical tools and flashes are undeniable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Almost every single evaluation agrees he’ll develop amazing coverage skills. Then, JOK has literally nothing on him. And no one thinks he’ll be the next Mack, it’s not even the same position. Maybe the next Patrick Willis, although I don’t want to get to ahead of myself. And yes I’d take Patrick Willis #1 overall. Why will Parsons, who has shown nothing outside of ability to get into zones quickly, that he'll be a good coverage LB? Is he gets anywhere close to Willis I'd be completely shocked. At best he's going to be a more athletic but less instinctive Jamie Collins. A top tier Joker. But would you really want him at MLB and we don't even run that scheme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, OnlyGlove said: Why will Parsons, who has shown nothing outside of ability to get into zones quickly, that he'll be a good coverage LB? Is he gets anywhere close to Willis I'd be completely shocked. At best he's going to be a more athletic but less instinctive Jamie Collins. A top tier Joker. But would you really want him at MLB and we don't even run that scheme Where does JOK fit in our defense though? Morrow/Littleton will play WLB and Abram will be a box safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, NYRaider said: IIRC Mack played primarily OLB at Buffalo as well. Parsons is still learning the position but his physical tools and flashes are undeniable. He flashes when his physical tools take over and he doesn't need to think. LB is a position all about processing and understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, OnlyGlove said: He flashes when his physical tools take over and he doesn't need to think. LB is a position all about processing and understanding. Those are things that can develop, especially for a guy like Parsons who has only played LB for 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Where does JOK fit in our defense though? Morrow/Littleton will play WLB and Abram will be a box safety. Play him at nickle as we'll mainly be in nickle most snaps anyway. But unlike most of the NFL, having Abram and JOK near the LOS for run games means we won't be as bad against it as the rest. Then on 3rd and long, put him back to LB with Littleton or Morrow and get another DB on the field. Talk about Nascar package on the D-line but I want it on the coverage too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Those are things that can develop, especially for a guy like Parsons who has only played LB for 2 years. Maybe they can, but your taking a massive risk a guy to completely change how he reads and sees the game. Surely if you wanted an athlete to learn the game too thats more of a round two prospect or late 1st. Where I have Parsons. Main reason I'm so against him is because people seem to think he's a top 10 player and can't miss. When he's probably one of the more risky players in the 1st round conversation, who once against doesn't fit the scheme that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, OnlyGlove said: Maybe they can, but your taking a massive risk a guy to completely change how he reads and sees the game. Surely if you wanted an athlete to learn the game too thats more of a round two prospect or late 1st. Where I have Parsons. Main reason I'm so against him is because people seem to think he's a top 10 player and can't miss. When he's probably one of the more risky players in the 1st round conversation, who once against doesn't fit the scheme that well. Drafting based on "scheme" is what has caused us to pass on a ton of talented players. You have to get the most talented players and a good DC will figure out how to use them effectively. Personally I still want another edge rusher at 17, Paye, Phillips, or Ojulari. But I'd be happy with Parsons as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Drafting based on "scheme" is what has caused us to pass on a ton of talented players. You have to get the most talented players and a good DC will figure out how to use them effectively. Personally I still want another edge rusher at 17, Paye, Phillips, or Ojulari. But I'd be happy with Parsons as well. Thats the thing, I don't even see Parsons as top 15 talent. He's probably in the mid 20s for me. You can't draft for scheme but you have to draft players that can be successful and reach the potential in your scheme. Problem with edge when do they get the snaps? Or do you give up on Ferrell or/and Crosby? I want JOK or a top tackle. Would take Barmore or Moehrig but would be rather meh. Parsons I'm looking at it like Arnette pick and hoping I'm wrong more then anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 If anybody wants to listen to what Brett Kollmann said about Parsons and actually mentions Raiders. It's this video and it stars around 42:25, when they make the pick for him to go to Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Drafting based on "scheme" is what has caused us to pass on a ton of talented players. You have to get the most talented players and a good DC will figure out how to use them effectively. Personally I still want another edge rusher at 17, Paye, Phillips, or Ojulari. But I'd be happy with Parsons as well. good teams usually have 4-5 pass rushers. If Yannick gets hurt, we would be screwed again. So another pass rusher would be nice pass rusher 1: Yannick pass rusher 2: Mad Max pass rusher 3: ????? pass rusher 4: Ferrell pass rusher 5: Nassib/Irving/Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 I'll feel alot better if we added one more pass rusher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Didn't think I'd have enough time this year but getting into the draft spirit and been at this the past week: Finalized Big Board: https://thedraftnetwork.com/bigboard/uyjNKHHoJa - 30 1st Round Graded Players - 32 2nd Round Graded Players Generational Prospect: 1. QB Trevor Lawrence Blue Chip Prospect: 2. OT Penei Sewell Outstanding Prospects: 3. QB Zach Wilson 4. WR Ja'Marr Chase 5. TE Kyle Pitts 6. LB Micah Parsons Upper Tier Prospects: 7. QB Trey Lance 8. QB Justin Fields 9. CB Caleb Farley 10. WR Devonta Smith 11. IOL Alijah Vera-Tucker 1st Round Grade: 12. OT Christian Darrisaw 13. WR Dyami Brown 14. S Trevon Moehrig 15. OT/C Rashawn Slater 16. CB Patrick Surtain II 17. RB Najee Harris 18. EDGE Jayson Oweh 19. WR Rashod Bateman 20. EDGE Kwity Paye 21. EDGE/LB Azeez Ojulari 22. WR Jaylen Waddle 23. EDGE Gregory Rousseau 24. LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah 25. RB Travis Etienne 26. WR Kadarius Toney 27. LB Baron Browning 28. CB Jaycee Horn 29. OT/G Liam Eichenberg 30. LB Nick Bolton 2nd Round Grade: 31. WR Elijah Moore 32. OT/G Teven Jenkins 33. IDL Christian Barmore 34. RB Javonte Williams 35. EDGE Jaelan Philips 36. OT Walker Little 37. OT Samuel Cosmi 38. IOL Landon Dickerson 39. EDGE Joseph Ossai 40. EDGE Carlos Basham Jr. 41. IOL Creed Humphrey 42. CB Eric Stokes 43. EDGE Payton Turner 44. WR Terrace Marshall Jr. 45. LB Jamin Davis 46. S Richie Grant 47. CB Tyson Campbell 48. IOL Wyatt Davis 49. EDGE Dayo Odeyingbo 50. CB Greg Newsome II 51. WR Rondale Moore 52. S/CB Javon Holland 53. TE Pat Freiermuth 54. LB Zaven Collins 55. WR Tylan Wallace 56. CB Trill Williams 57. OT James Hudson 58. S Jamien Sherwood 59. QB Kyle Trask 60. NB Asante Samuel Jr. 61. OT/G Alex Leatherwood 62. CB Tay Gowan Anyone else is a 3rd Round Grade or worse. By Position: RB's: Safety's: IOL: IDL: TE's: QB's: CB's: EDGE's: OT's: WR's: LB's: Notes: - LB's: Love Parsons. I like Owusu-Koramoah but concerned about his weight, and think that type of LB usually doesn't provide great value in the 1st. However, I still like him, and despite previous comment, I do think JOK is a more rare breed and that he does belong in the 1st, and would be a great fit in Bradley's system. I'm lower on Collins than most, but still would love to have him as a starting LB. He just seems boom or bust to me, went to a small school, and faced bad competition. Just seems like one of those small school freak athletes who usually have super high bust rates. As for Nick Bolton, he may not be as athletic as these freaks in the draft like Parsons, JOK, Davis, and Collins but he just has "it". He's absolutely ruthless, never makes mistakes, diagnoses perfectly, complete dog, great run defender, great gap shooter, and good enough speed. - EDGE's: I have Oweh, Paye, and Ojulari all pretty close. Oweh gets hated on for no sacks but the guy is the freak of the draft, and I really love what I see on tape. Paye is another guy I really like as well that could develop into something nasty. This EDGE class is all about potential, that's what you should be looking at. I have Philips in the 2nd because he's the scariest prospect in the entire draft. Major, major risk factor. As for his teammate Gregory Rousseau, I like him a lot as a 3-4 EDGE. 4-3 teams like the Raiders should stay far away though. - WR's: Another loaded, and I mean loaded WR class. About the only thing I agree with Chris Simms on is that Dyami Brown is our WR3. He's gonna be a baller IMO. One word describes Dyami Brown: DOMINANT. Not as big on Waddle as others are... but I still really like. Just don't understand the Top 10 hype... Devonta Smith is definitely the better prospect and the weight doesn't concern me like it does on a Linebacker. - OT's: Love Sewell as a Franchise LT. Love Darrisaw as a Franchise RT. Slater can be a Top Tier Center or a Mid-Tier RT. Same with Eichenberg, Top Tier G or Mid-Tier RT. Jenkins I'm obviously not as high on as some Raider fans, I think he's a guard at the next level. Cosmi will be a solid Mid-Tier RT and a day one starter. I like Walker Little a lot as well, although the injury history is definitely something to consider. - Safety's: Many don't think there's much of a gap from Moehrig and Grant/Holland. I do think there's quite a noticeable gap. When I watch Moehrig I see the playmaking cover FS that I've always wanted. And he's not afraid to get involved in the physical side of things as well. He's also much better at pure coverage than Andre Cisco, and much more consistent/refined skills. As for Holland, not even sure he'll be a full time safety, I see a lot of Nickelback during his career, and bit of a do-it-all kind of guy. - CB's: Love Farley. Have said he's a Top 10 player in this draft since December. However, his injury is definitely worrisome. I think Surtain is also a solid prospect, but definitely behind Farley. We need long-speed in our division and Farley is likely a low 4.4 guy while Surtain is likely a mid 4.5 guy (don't care about Pro Day 40's). Horn on the other hand, is 100% boom or bust and he scares me. He has a lot of similarities to Jeff Gladney last year in which he likes to get grabby... not gonna work in the NFL. I like Eric Stokes, Tyson Campbell, and Greg Newsome II in the 2nd Round quite a bit. I know many on here like Newsome as a 1st Rounder but I just don't see it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Typically people are always down for a trade down to acquire more picks. However with the recent Hudson and Brown trades, how would people welcome a trade up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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