BayRaider Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) @RaidersAreOne I'd trade up for Parsons or Sewell. But only like 3-4 spots to 13-14 for Parsons. And like 5-6 spots for Sewell if he was sitting around 10-11. I don't think either of those players are falling that far. Edited April 20, 2021 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Rumors of the Broncos trading for Teddy B during the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: Rumors of the Broncos trading for Teddy B during the draft. go for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Rich7sena said: The latest one or the NDSU pro day? I think the latest pro day was just Trey Lance throwing. Either way, I think Mayock may want to see Lance because there' an outside shot he ends up a Bronco. I think it was the first one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) By the way, during Eric Stokes pro day/40 time, the guy doing it explained why all these 40’s are crazy right now: Basically the NFL Combine uses a hand start finish, while pro days and casual use, use laser start finish. Basically, take 0.12 to 0.14 seconds off every single one of these Pro Day 40’s. Which makes a lot of sense, and puts most of these guys at their projected times. That would still mean Stokes ran a 4.38 (which they said is his real time) which is still absolutely amazing for a corner his size. I was really expecting 4.52 - 4.55 for Stokes. Also means Surtain’s time is probably around 4.58 which is pretty bad, if they used a laser start finish. It doesn’t mean every school/pro day does a laser start finish, but I’m sure most of them do. Since we don’t know which schools used the combine method, I’d just throw every 40 into the trash and judge purely by tape speed. Except for Georgia players where we know for sure you can take about 0.12 off the 40’s and get an accurate time. Which means Tyson Campbell’s real time was about 4.51, exactly what everyone projected him to run. Edited April 20, 2021 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 hours ago, BayRaider said: Didn't think I'd have enough time this year but getting into the draft spirit and been at this the past week: Finalized Big Board: https://thedraftnetwork.com/bigboard/uyjNKHHoJa - 30 1st Round Graded Players - 32 2nd Round Graded Players Generational Prospect: 1. QB Trevor Lawrence Blue Chip Prospect: 2. OT Penei Sewell Outstanding Prospects: 3. QB Zach Wilson 4. WR Ja'Marr Chase 5. TE Kyle Pitts 6. LB Micah Parsons Upper Tier Prospects: 7. QB Trey Lance 8. QB Justin Fields 9. CB Caleb Farley 10. WR Devonta Smith 11. IOL Alijah Vera-Tucker 1st Round Grade: 12. OT Christian Darrisaw 13. WR Dyami Brown 14. S Trevon Moehrig 15. OT/C Rashawn Slater 16. CB Patrick Surtain II 17. RB Najee Harris 18. EDGE Jayson Oweh 19. WR Rashod Bateman 20. EDGE Kwity Paye 21. EDGE/LB Azeez Ojulari 22. WR Jaylen Waddle 23. EDGE Gregory Rousseau 24. LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah 25. RB Travis Etienne 26. WR Kadarius Toney 27. LB Baron Browning 28. CB Jaycee Horn 29. OT/G Liam Eichenberg 30. LB Nick Bolton 2nd Round Grade: 31. WR Elijah Moore 32. OT/G Teven Jenkins 33. IDL Christian Barmore 34. RB Javonte Williams 35. EDGE Jaelan Philips 36. OT Walker Little 37. OT Samuel Cosmi 38. IOL Landon Dickerson 39. EDGE Joseph Ossai 40. EDGE Carlos Basham Jr. 41. IOL Creed Humphrey 42. CB Eric Stokes 43. EDGE Payton Turner 44. WR Terrace Marshall Jr. 45. LB Jamin Davis 46. S Richie Grant 47. CB Tyson Campbell 48. IOL Wyatt Davis 49. EDGE Dayo Odeyingbo 50. CB Greg Newsome II 51. WR Rondale Moore 52. S/CB Javon Holland 53. TE Pat Freiermuth 54. LB Zaven Collins 55. WR Tylan Wallace 56. CB Trill Williams 57. OT James Hudson 58. S Jamien Sherwood 59. QB Kyle Trask 60. NB Asante Samuel Jr. 61. OT/G Alex Leatherwood 62. CB Tay Gowan Anyone else is a 3rd Round Grade or worse. By Position: RB's: Safety's: IOL: IDL: TE's: QB's: CB's: EDGE's: OT's: WR's: LB's: Notes: - LB's: Love Parsons. I like Owusu-Koramoah but concerned about his weight, and think that type of LB usually doesn't provide great value in the 1st. However, I still like him, and despite previous comment, I do think JOK is a more rare breed and that he does belong in the 1st, and would be a great fit in Bradley's system. I'm lower on Collins than most, but still would love to have him as a starting LB. He just seems boom or bust to me, went to a small school, and faced bad competition. Just seems like one of those small school freak athletes who usually have super high bust rates. As for Nick Bolton, he may not be as athletic as these freaks in the draft like Parsons, JOK, Davis, and Collins but he just has "it". He's absolutely ruthless, never makes mistakes, diagnoses perfectly, complete dog, great run defender, great gap shooter, and good enough speed. - EDGE's: I have Oweh, Paye, and Ojulari all pretty close. Oweh gets hated on for no sacks but the guy is the freak of the draft, and I really love what I see on tape. Paye is another guy I really like as well that could develop into something nasty. This EDGE class is all about potential, that's what you should be looking at. I have Philips in the 2nd because he's the scariest prospect in the entire draft. Major, major risk factor. As for his teammate Gregory Rousseau, I like him a lot as a 3-4 EDGE. 4-3 teams like the Raiders should stay far away though. - WR's: Another loaded, and I mean loaded WR class. About the only thing I agree with Chris Simms on is that Dyami Brown is our WR3. He's gonna be a baller IMO. One word describes Dyami Brown: DOMINANT. Not as big on Waddle as others are... but I still really like. Just don't understand the Top 10 hype... Devonta Smith is definitely the better prospect and the weight doesn't concern me like it does on a Linebacker. - OT's: Love Sewell as a Franchise LT. Love Darrisaw as a Franchise RT. Slater can be a Top Tier Center or a Mid-Tier RT. Same with Eichenberg, Top Tier G or Mid-Tier RT. Jenkins I'm obviously not as high on as some Raider fans, I think he's a guard at the next level. Cosmi will be a solid Mid-Tier RT and a day one starter. I like Walker Little a lot as well, although the injury history is definitely something to consider. - Safety's: Many don't think there's much of a gap from Moehrig and Grant/Holland. I do think there's quite a noticeable gap. When I watch Moehrig I see the playmaking cover FS that I've always wanted. And he's not afraid to get involved in the physical side of things as well. He's also much better at pure coverage than Andre Cisco, and much more consistent/refined skills. As for Holland, not even sure he'll be a full time safety, I see a lot of Nickelback during his career, and bit of a do-it-all kind of guy. - CB's: Love Farley. Have said he's a Top 10 player in this draft since December. However, his injury is definitely worrisome. I think Surtain is also a solid prospect, but definitely behind Farley. We need long-speed in our division and Farley is likely a low 4.4 guy while Surtain is likely a mid 4.5 guy (don't care about Pro Day 40's). Horn on the other hand, is 100% boom or bust and he scares me. He has a lot of similarities to Jeff Gladney last year in which he likes to get grabby... not gonna work in the NFL. I like Eric Stokes, Tyson Campbell, and Greg Newsome II in the 2nd Round quite a bit. I know many on here like Newsome as a 1st Rounder but I just don't see it. I think Dayo Odeyingbo is a late 3rd or early 4th pick because of achilles injury suffered a couple of months ago but I would love to add him for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said: Typically people are always down for a trade down to acquire more picks. However with the recent Hudson and Brown trades, how would people welcome a trade up? Only if they're worth it. Can't think of anybody in the 1st worth trading up for unless the is a run of tackles and you want to get your guy. It's a deep class in most of our positions but we don't tend to use late day 3 picks. So I'm not against using them to get our guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 14 hours ago, NYRaider said: Hondo Carpenter mentioned that one of the reasons that we cut Hurst was because Thomas is 100% healthy and the staff believes that he can be a big contributor for us this year. Either way though I'm glad that we have Irving, Philon, Thomas, and Jefferson competing for the job this year instead of just handing it to someone like we did with Collins last year. This the same staff that said Malik Collins was the key to the defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I see all these user mock threads getting FOMO. Gonna have to put mine out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Hondo Carpenter a reliable reporter? Easily my least liked reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGlove Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, big_palooka said: This the same staff that said Malik Collins was the key to the defense? He was, he sucked and so did the whole defense 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, OnlyGlove said: He was, he sucked and so did the whole defense Yep, the 3T is the key to PG's D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 hours ago, NYRaider said: Hondo Carpenter mentioned that one of the reasons that we cut Hurst was because Thomas is 100% healthy and the staff believes that he can be a big contributor for us this year. Either way though I'm glad that we have Irving, Philon, Thomas, and Jefferson competing for the job this year instead of just handing it to someone like we did with Collins last year. Still think it was stupid. We didn't sign a bunch of star IDL who were guaranteed to come in and make an impact, we signed cast offs, busts, and rotational pieces who have done literally nothing in silver and black. Hurst was practically our only bright-ish spot on the D-line with upside. You don't prematurely cut that before you actually see any of them. If true, it just shows that there's no plan other than "hope this works because....lulz". Fwiw, I wouldn't have been surprised to see Hurst not actually make the squad at the end of the offseason, so I'm not bemoaning it as a huge loss. He's just not the person I'd cut in favor of a crew of totally unproven guys before seeing any of them in pads. And not like we did anything with the savings. We signed Rasul Douglas ffs. Make the move to cut Key and (I guess, if you're dead set on doing so) Hurst when you can hopefully nab an impact-ish guy in their place, not when you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's one of the things I absolutely despise about Grudock- even "good" moves constantly have questionable to WTF timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I just wanna see who wins the 3T job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Think it’s Jefferson job to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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