2021 NFL Draft Thread

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

I like Waller a lot but he is not a jump ball specialist like Evans.  Waller is also our only RZ threat and D coordinators know this.  He is the number 1 player to shut down once we hit the RZ, we have no one else that can make plays in the RZ.

We drafted Bryan Edwards and Foster Moreau to help in the red zone as well, Gruden just refuses to play them. 

[oakdb36]

5 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Darren Waller?

He has 6 TDs on 11 targets inside the 10 so he's not too bad either.

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, oakdb36 said:

He has 6 TDs on 11 targets inside the 10 so he's not too bad either.

At what point do we stop making excuses for Carr? 

[oakdb36]

Just now, NYRaider said:

At what point do we stop making excuses for Carr? 

Yesterday, if it's up to you.

[NYRaider]

3 minutes ago, oakdb36 said:

Yesterday, if it's up to you.

1 winning record in 7 years yet he still gets a free pass. 

[oakdb36]

1 minute ago, NYRaider said:

1 winning record in 7 years yet he still gets a free pass. 

Not gonna go there. The only goal of my post was saying Brady had success this season with an amazing group of targets and he wouldn't have the same if he was a Raider. That's it.

[jimkelly02]

3 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

He started out with rookie struggles, but over the 2nd half of the season, he's looked stellar. 

Other CBs have looked pretty good as well, like Jaylon Johnson, who I really liked. 

Not sure I would take Terrell over Johnson in hindsight just yet, but he's definitely made himself worthy of his rookie CB1 billing.

I liked Johnson as a prospect but thought 17 was to early for him.  
He’s definitely had instant success.  But I wonder if he’ll be able to sustain THAT level of success and continue to get significantly better. 
I say that because he’s playing on a pretty good defense and one that protects him by putting pressure on the QB and has safeties with range to help him in coverage.

I haven’t done research into this but I’d logically suspect that the Bears scheme protects him quite heavily.  They have a veteran secondary and he’s opposite Kyle Fuller.  They can afford to simplify his assignments.  
the test of time will be if he can maintain the production while the scheme stops helping him out.  

[jimkelly02]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

At what point do we stop making excuses for Carr? 

I’d really like tho know what level of play from Carr would make you genuinely - put a smile on your face, proud to say ‘he’s my QB!“

 

[NYRaider]

4 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said:

I’d really like tho know what level of play from Carr would make you genuinely - put a smile on your face, proud to say ‘he’s my QB!“

 

A winning season. 

[Rich7sena]

27 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

A winning season. 

The lack of winning seasons isn't on Carr. He's been on a below-average roster for virtually his entire career. I am pro trading Carr this offseason, but it's not because Carr hasn't been good.

Carr isn't the best fit for Gruden's offense, and he would be better off elsewhere. I Carr not unlike Tannehill in Miami. I never though Tannehill was bad, he was just in a situation that was not playing to his strengths. Carr, in my opinion, is a bit better than Tannehill, but he's not in an offense conducive to his skillset. The fact that Carr has molded his skillset to better fit Gruden's offense is a testament to his work ethic, but I think it's clear that Gruden's offense demands a player who can threaten the defense as a runner.

Edited January 2, 2021 by Rich7sena

[BayRaider]

4 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

Carr is 29 and with his style of play should have 6 or 7 high level seasons left. 

Once again you deflected from my original question and that was where would you rank Carr in terms of building block QB's?  I'm also shocked that you didn't list your elite prospect Tua on that list.  Are you finally admitting I was right?  LOL

As far as Brady goes, you cant be that blind and naive.  Are his numbers improved, sure they are and that was to be expected going from the trash he had in NE to throwing to AB, Evans, Godwin, Gronk, Howard and having a 2 headed monster in Fornette and Jones.  You put Brady on the Raiders and he is back to throwing 24 Td's like he did the last two years in NE and this is a 4 to 6 win team.  If you can't see that you still must have your "tank for Tua" blinders on

Many of the QB's on your list have far superior teams to Carr and based on your list you obviously do not possess the ability to critically think.  You put Carr on Ten, Min, TB, Cleveland and those teams vastly improve and so do Carr's numbers.

Back to the elite D question.  Let's use the Bears as an example of a top flight D with trash at the QB position.  That team has done nothing with a top D all because their search for an average QB has held them back. I love a great D more than almost anyone but you need to have a competent QB at the helm, regardless of how good the D is and this hold true almost 99 percent of the time.  

Answering that original question without context and having a legit option at the QB position is not something I would do. 

Lol this is hilarious. Yes I believe Brady is a better QB than Carr right now, regardless of cast. If you are so confident Carr is a better QB than Brady right now, go make an NFL Gen Topic of Carr vs Brady and get obliterated. Brady is not having success just because of his cast. How about you watch football for once? He is still the smartest QB in the NFL and his arm looks sharp as it did 5 years ago, throwing perfect dimes deep most of the season. His velocity has also stayed extremely good. Brady has two Top 15 WRs, no question, I’ll give you that, but Brown is no where close to Steeler Brown. He’s not even a Top 35 WR. Their TE situation is terrible, Gronk is washed. The OL is Middle of the Pack. And Jones is having a tremendous year but a lot of that is because Brady opens up running lanes. Same thing Tannehil did for Henry. Henry never had a 5.0 ypc season before Tannehil. Buc cast is obviously better than the Raiders, but you are making them sound way better than they are, like they are the greatest show on turf. If we had Brady we’d be a playoff team, absolutely no doubt in my mind. Probably bounced in the 1st Round because of our defense, but still in there. And no question what so ever Brady would be using Ruggs REGULARLY. 
 

Brady is a better QB than Carr even at 43 years old. 
 

You deflect constantly and never give anyone their earned success and never give anyone their earned criticism. For example, for seven years, you have defended Carr, and any time Carr had a bad game, you blame everyone else OR completely disappear if the game was clearly 100% on Carr. You completely disappeared after the Atlanta game. No Carr critic post, never. 
 

As for never acknowledging success. There are hundreds of examples. Two being, completely saying Brady’s performance is on his cast (this is so laughable, go say this in public), and I also said before the draft that you would appear after every bad game of Tuas career and you would come call him trash while every good game you would just disappear and not say a word. Not give him praise, nothing, just disappear. I was 100% right. You are a politician. And honestly, probably a narcissist. You have an always right complex and CANNOT be wrong. If there was video evidence of you doing something for example, you’d still deny it, and you’d believe it. 
 

We all like being right, but difference between you and I is I admit when I’m wrong all the time, and also acknowledge success. Have acknowledged Herberts success and praised him all year, and have admitted I was totally wrong on Josh Allen. I even root for Allen now. 
 

You do not have this ability. Tua and Brady could have 16 great games (they didn’t have 16 great games, this is an example) and your brain would process it as 16 bad games, or they were not responsible for any single one of those 16 great games. 
 

Also you are the one who deflected and started going into detail about other QB’s. My point was Carr is about to be 30 and has had one Top 10 QB season. And he has had good offensive rosters over the years. He’s not a Franchise QB. He’s a Middle of the Pack guy. 

Edited January 2, 2021 by BayRaider

[Humble_Beast]

I don’t see how we screw this up... 

R1: a few interesting athletic edge rushers should be there. With a nice Dc with a modern blitz package, should add a lot of value to defense. 
 

R2: a lot of interesting UT should be there. Up to management and scouts to make the right decision. Adding a UT and Edge would do wonders. 
 

R3-R4 - go BPA, add talent to the roster and depth. Should be able to draft 3 guys who can play, not projects. 
 

Free agency: FS, maybe another CB and LB, NT, RT, maybe G if we cut Richie, Cheap Backup QB

cut: T Brown, Joyner, Williams, MM

resign: Nellie, maybe Booker if cheap. 

Edited January 2, 2021 by Humble_Beast

[Frankie2Gunz]

3 hours ago, BayRaider said:

Lol this is hilarious. Yes I believe Brady is a better QB than Carr right now, regardless of cast. If you are so confident Carr is a better QB than Brady right now, go make an NFL Gen Topic of Carr vs Brady and get obliterated. Brady is not having success just because of his cast. How about you watch football for once? He is still the smartest QB in the NFL and his arm looks sharp as it did 5 years ago, throwing perfect dimes deep most of the season. His velocity has also stayed extremely good. Brady has two Top 15 WRs, no question, I’ll give you that, but Brown is no where close to Steeler Brown. He’s not even a Top 35 WR. Their TE situation is terrible, Gronk is washed. The OL is Middle of the Pack. And Jones is having a tremendous year but a lot of that is because Brady opens up running lanes. Same thing Tannehil did for Henry. Henry never had a 5.0 ypc season before Tannehil. Buc cast is obviously better than the Raiders, but you are making them sound way better than they are, like they are the greatest show on turf. If we had Brady we’d be a playoff team, absolutely no doubt in my mind. Probably bounced in the 1st Round because of our defense, but still in there. And no question what so ever Brady would be using Ruggs REGULARLY. 
 

Brady is a better QB than Carr even at 43 years old. 
 

You deflect constantly and never give anyone their earned success and never give anyone their earned criticism. For example, for seven years, you have defended Carr, and any time Carr had a bad game, you blame everyone else OR completely disappear if the game was clearly 100% on Carr. You completely disappeared after the Atlanta game. No Carr critic post, never. 
 

As for never acknowledging success. There are hundreds of examples. Two being, completely saying Brady’s performance is on his cast (this is so laughable, go say this in public), and I also said before the draft that you would appear after every bad game of Tuas career and you would come call him trash while every good game you would just disappear and not say a word. Not give him praise, nothing, just disappear. I was 100% right. You are a politician. And honestly, probably a narcissist. You have an always right complex and CANNOT be wrong. If there was video evidence of you doing something for example, you’d still deny it, and you’d believe it. 
 

We all like being right, but difference between you and I is I admit when I’m wrong all the time, and also acknowledge success. Have acknowledged Herberts success and praised him all year, and have admitted I was totally wrong on Josh Allen. I even root for Allen now. 
 

You do not have this ability. Tua and Brady could have 16 great games (they didn’t have 16 great games, this is an example) and your brain would process it as 16 bad games, or they were not responsible for any single one of those 16 great games. 
 

Also you are the one who deflected and started going into detail about other QB’s. My point was Carr is about to be 30 and has had one Top 10 QB season. And he has had good offensive rosters over the years. He’s not a Franchise QB. He’s a Middle of the Pack guy. 

"Brady is not having success just because of his cast. How about you watch football for once"?  Give me a break.  Brady averaged 26 TD passes over his last 2 years in NE and with 1 game left in the season he is in the upper 30's?  Care to explain this is not for his massive upgrade in supporting cast?  It's a miracle Brady forgot how to play at a high level for the last 2 years and all of a sudden his stats are inflated.  You can't be that dense.

If Brady's increased stats are not based on his superior supporting cast explain why he averaged 26 TD's over the last 2 years and already has 36?

Also who cares what general forum fans think?  They most likely have the same uneducated opinion that you have and also have a very limited understanding about football.  

If Brady is still so good why did Belichick let him walk with no back up plan in place?  If you offered BB Carr or Brady right now to be his starting QB he takes Carr every day of the week.  Brady is one of, if not the greatest QB to ever play the game but to think a 43 year old Brady can lead a dumpster fire roster to the playoffs is right on par with the majority of your flawed and worthless opinions.  "Tank for Tua", "He's a transcendent, generational talent" and "Herbert is a bum"....  Clearly you need to go back to football 101 when it comes to evaluating QB talent.

Carr had a bad game against ATL. So what?  Brady has had bad games this year, Mahomes has had bad games, Russ has had bad games...  Bad games happen, that doesn't make Carr a bad QB.  

Tua has not played a good game all year. He's had some average games and also been benched in the middle of games twice because he has been so terrible. It's possible he has a good game, heck Matt Flynn has had good games in his career that doesn't make him a good QB.  So far Tua is exactly who I said he was from day one.  A hype machine fraud that doesn't nothing well and is of average at best intelligence.  

If he is this "middle of the pack" QB then give me a list of building block QB's and prove to me that he is a middle of the road QB like you claim....  I'm still waiting because if you give the list you'll look like a hypocrite or uneducated, it's one or the other.  

The list of QB's that are unquestionably better building blocks than Carr right now. Mahomes, Russ and Watson. Carr is lumped together with the like of Allen, Tannehill and Murray.  It's possible to say Herbert but the sample size is too small.  That puts Carr solidly in the top 10.  Explain to me how Carr is a middle of the road building block Qb by compiling your list.....

Edited January 3, 2021 by Frankie2Gunz

[BayRaider]

@Frankie2Gunz You do realize Brady’s 2019 cast was by far the worst in the NFL? Watch them on tape. Outside of an always injured Edelmen, it was a horrible cast that even the 2018 Raiders put to shame. Go talk to neutral parties that aren’t Brady fans/pat fans, and clearly not this subforum who have hated the guy for 20 years. Brady has completely balled this season, outside of Payton which has had the Bucs number for years. Playing smart, arm looks sharp, and the deep ball is fully still there. I’m sure you have fully witnessed his deep ball against our own team. Absolute perfect uncoverable ball placement on two separate deep balls. 

Edited January 3, 2021 by BayRaider

[jimkelly02]

3 hours ago, Rich7sena said:

The lack of winning seasons isn't on Carr. He's been on a below-average roster for virtually his entire career. I am pro trading Carr this offseason, but it's not because Carr hasn't been good.

Carr isn't the best fit for Gruden's offense, and he would be better off elsewhere. I Carr not unlike Tannehill in Miami. I never though Tannehill was bad, he was just in a situation that was not playing to his strengths. Carr, in my opinion, is a bit better than Tannehill, but he's not in an offense conducive to his skillset. The fact that Carr has molded his skillset to better fit Gruden's offense is a testament to his work ethic, but I think it's clear that Gruden's offense demands a player who can threaten the defense as a runner.

Wow I was gonna reply but you really just said what I would have but better.

I’d only add that Carr makes 20M a year and compared to the other QBs in the league that’s an incredible value.  We’ve mismanaged the cap the last few years and should have been able to provide Carr with a better team.  
 

and at the end of the day I’ve grown tired of defending Carr.  He’s our QB today and will be our Qb tomorrow and all of next year..... so if people want to constantly complain about him that’s on them.... he’s not going be the QB in ‘21.  Would you like some cheese with that w(h)ine?