jimkelly02 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Darius stills from wv best dt in the draft imo. Tryna tell yall. draft him and his bro watch wv vs army focus on the trenches Darius Stills Could end up being a Roderick Coleman (I loved him back in the day) type Pass rush Specialist but I just don’t see him being an every down and successful. He’s 6’1 280 maybe 285. If size alone was the problem that’s one thing but he’s also incredibly reckless and freelances way too much. For every 1 play that ends up being a TFL there’s 3 where he guessed wrong or just hit ran out of his gap. His margin of error is so small he’s gotta be very sound with his technique and decisions... he’s often not able to physically make up for mental errors. there’s a lot of good traits.... he’s a quality player but you’d have to reign his gap responsibilities in with a Good DL coach as well as kinda center the defense, or at least the front 7, around his penetration.... and I don’t think he’d provide enough benefits to structure the other defenders around him. Lastly... the lack of length is a concern. We just saw it with M.Collins.... I’d much rather have a 3T whose got better size and length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 25 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Lastly... the lack of length is a concern. We just saw it with M.Collins.... I’d much rather have a 3T whose got better size and length. It's not lack of length that made Collins play poorly. His arms didn't get shorter in the offseason. Geno Atkins had no problem in the same scheme despite his shorter arms. It's a 1 gap attacking scheme where quickness is much more important than length at 3T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 I’m not as pessimistic as many on the draft. If we move diligent we could really help this team 1- edge- Greg Rousseau, Joseph Ossai, Azeez Ojulari, Jaelan Phillips, Owusu-Koramoah 2- interior pass rusher -Christian Barmore, Tufele, Twyman, Marvin Wilson, Jordan Davis, Darius Stills, Levi Onwuzurike 3- Tackle, Free Safety, Guard - Paris Ford, Holland, Andre Cisco, Richard Lecounte, Richie Grant, James Wiggins ArDarius Washington, Caden Stearns, Moehrig Notes: we would do the defense justice by adding a 1st round edge player. Need more juice, Koramoah could be a beast blitzing too. I like the value of UT in the 2nd. People are sleeping on Levi Onwuzurike. 3rd round could have a lot of value for Rangy FS. A few interesting prospects should be there in the 3rd. Our day 2 pick needs can change based on free agency. I would avoid CB and try to develop Arnette and Amik with a better pass rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: Darius Stills Could end up being a Roderick Coleman (I loved him back in the day) type Pass rush Specialist but I just don’t see him being an every down and successful. He’s 6’1 280 maybe 285. If size alone was the problem that’s one thing but he’s also incredibly reckless and freelances way too much. For every 1 play that ends up being a TFL there’s 3 where he guessed wrong or just hit ran out of his gap. His margin of error is so small he’s gotta be very sound with his technique and decisions... he’s often not able to physically make up for mental errors. there’s a lot of good traits.... he’s a quality player but you’d have to reign his gap responsibilities in with a Good DL coach as well as kinda center the defense, or at least the front 7, around his penetration.... and I don’t think he’d provide enough benefits to structure the other defenders around him. Lastly... the lack of length is a concern. We just saw it with M.Collins.... I’d much rather have a 3T whose got better size and length. I hear you esp on length and size and his reckless. But imo he has great technique, hand usage, variety of moves, Block shedding esp great vs double teams, great motor and extremely physical. Also plays every dL spot. I think he’ll be really good for us esp at 3t. imo Collins is just garbage with limited moves and can’t shed blocks with extremely lazy hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Jordan Davis going back to school. Would have been the best DT. He’s a man child out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) Somebody mentioned Travis et the rb from Clemson. Him plus jj would be the perfect combo imo Bush n dmac all over again but way better tho Edited January 7, 2021 by NCOUGHMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Somebody mentioned Travis et the rb from Clemson. Him plus jj would be the perfect combo imo Bush n dmac all over again but way better tho Luxury we can’t afford. We need defense and work on OLine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 hours ago, oakdb36 said: It's not lack of length that made Collins play poorly. His arms didn't get shorter in the offseason. Geno Atkins had no problem in the same scheme despite his shorter arms. It's a 1 gap attacking scheme where quickness is much more important than length at 3T. I didn’t say that .... Collins has always struggled versus the run as well as converting hurries to sacks because he lacks length. His tackling range is horrible.... which is part due to lack of length but also lateral agility and strength. look at his few tackles .... everything goes right.... but when he doesn’t blow thru the line and his path to the RB isn’t a straight line then he cant make the play. that’s not an accurate comparison. Atkins is crazy strong and very very agile for a player his size. He has change of direction skills. Collins has none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Luxury we can’t afford. We need defense and work on OLine... A 1st rd RB would be the absolute biggest waste of a pick. There’s definitely some great value in mid-rounds that’s could be a slight upgrade overs booker plus are on 4 yr cheap contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Somebody mentioned Travis et the rb from Clemson. Him plus jj would be the perfect combo imo Bush n dmac all over again but way better tho We won't do it, but it would be fun to watch. If we're being honest, I want to find a way to get Jaylen Waddle on this team as impractical as it is. He's gonna be so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I hear you esp on length and size and his reckless. But imo he has great technique, hand usage, variety of moves, Block shedding esp great vs double teams, great motor and extremely physical. Also plays every dL spot. I think he’ll be really good for us esp at 3t. imo Collins is just garbage with limited moves and can’t shed blocks with extremely lazy hands. I agree and disagree with your analysis. Stills is incredibly sudden and powerful out of his stance.... very good hands...great motor...very very good hands that are pretty strong.... very nice jab....and he stays low, mainly due to his size and gets his power from that but he’s weak on counter moves..... and isn’t great at shedding blocks- he’s good at shooting gaps but he freelances that too much.... he leaves massive running lanes wide open sometimes. That isn’t gonna fly in the NFL. The more you free lance and take chances the more likely you are to rack up stats and make big plays.... and equally likely to give up big plays. So it makes you wonder how many splash plays he’ll be able to make if taking less chances and playing disciplined within a scheme. And it’s gonna be a struggle to play the run for him in the nfl.... your description makes it sounds like he’s a run stuffer and Geno Atkins level strong and that isn’t the case at all. Edited January 8, 2021 by jimkelly02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said: We won't do it, but it would be fun to watch. If we're being honest, I want to find a way to get Jaylen Waddle on this team as impractical as it is. He's gonna be so good. waddle with Ruggs would be awesome. but too rich for our blood! Can’t afford to spend a first on a WR outside of Chase.... at that point he’s too much of a bargain, but it’d never happen..... I know it sounds crazy but would any of you want to sign John Ross? I think it’s be awesome to have two 4.2 guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, big_palooka said: Mayock is nothing more than a glorified scout. The only thing to question him on is contracts. Gruden has 100% automony over builing the roster. He has final say. He picks the players, coaches and picked Mayock to be his top scout. Case and point, Mayock loved Lamb (the obvious right choice at 12) and what happened? How are people not understanding this and questioning Mayock's ability as a GM when he's a GM in title only. GRUDEN is the GM and the architect behind the draft and this roster. I don’t buy this GM in titled only. It’s just a convenient thing to say. Mayock isn’t a chump and spineless.... Gruden has more control then most coaches but Mayock didn’t take this job to be a yes man. That’s not his personality. In fact he’s said it’s his job to reign in Gruden.... IE instant gratification Gruden vs Fiscal conservative Mayock. You don’t bring in Mayock and then let Gruden draft the players himself. Gruden is the shopaholic impulsive wife and Mayock is the old fashion, cheap, conservative “im Not buying that you don’t need it” husband. Gruden tells Mayock what he needs and they discuss the options and make a decision together. I’m sure he lets Gruden win enough to be happy but he knows Gruden inevitably would fail because he needs instant gratification. im Not saying Mayock makes the personell decisions but he definitely isn’t this figure head only with no power that you’ve pretrayed. Edited January 8, 2021 by jimkelly02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: waddle with Ruggs would be awesome. but too rich for our blood! Can’t afford to spend a first on a WR outside of Chase.... at that point he’s too much of a bargain, but it’d never happen..... I know it sounds crazy but would any of you want to sign John Ross? I think it’s be awesome to have two 4.2 guys. Definitely yes to Ross. Needs a change in scenery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 6:11 PM, jimkelly02 said: barmore has the length we need.... and is a good pass rusher..... that’s the DT I want the most.... IF leonard Williams isn’t stupidly let into the FA market. In a dream scenario, I'd give Leonard Williams a big deal in free agency, draft Greg Rousseau at #17, and draft Christian Barmore at #48. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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