jetsfan4life51 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Bobby816 said: I’m not nearly as down on the secondary as some are. Bc we have some young talent there. Bryce Hall was nearly like robbing an additional 1st round pick. Ashtyn Davis will take over at FS and should only get better and better. If and that is an IF (I know)... we can resign Poole and Maye. We don’t have a bad secondary and it’s actually a very young secondary. If we could add more of a proven young CB in FA that should be enough IMO. CB just isn’t a high priority need IMO. Edge and edge only is the only position I’d consider early on defense. I've been saying it's the zone defense and lack of a pass rush that kills us. Are CBs aren't necessarily getting torched on the outside. We are getting smoked over the middle. Our Safeties have been pretty brutal in pass defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimuraGod Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I would love getting a top CB in FA who’s young but I also wouldn’t mind a Patrick Peterson/Richard Sherman signing to mentor these young talented players we have. We are not likely to be a playoff team next year but maybe a year after (if we draft T-Law) we could be knocking on the door. If so having a great veteran helping these young DB’s out might come back to pay it’s worth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyt31 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 10 hours ago, doumeyer said: This is just another thing you can blame Macc for, if we took Josh Allen, we still would have the two second round picks we gave the Colt to move up three spots so we could draft Darnold. Macc never made a pick till he heard Mel Kyper, say "he is the best player on the board", the same thing happen when we draft Leo Williams. Macc never did any research or he would not have taken Maye over Devin Cook. If Joe Douglas can hit on our first five or six picks we will be a completely different team. Yeah, I can go down the list of all the misses. Macc didn't just kill us, he killed Bowles the worst way possible. I'm really glad we have JD draft wise. Having a GM that can actually recognize talent allows you to go BPA and actually know who the best player available actually is. That was our biggest problem. Because of injuries, we still have guys coming along late this season who could compete next year. Bryce Hall could be a steal, but all the things he would have learned this past offseason is happening on the field. These guys could turn out to be better with the new coaches. I believe our first pick will be Lawrence, but he's definitely going to do his homework on both him and Fields. He doesn't come off as the type of guy who will just follow the hype. The biggest challenge in the draft is that Seattle pick. If you look at all the potential players that could be there, it's not going to be easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KodiakThunder Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) Just wondering...On the chance we pick 2nd and get offered a ton for the pick, who is the 1 non-QB you would want in the top 10? Edited November 27, 2020 by KodiakThunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimuraGod Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 15 hours ago, doumeyer said: This is just another thing you can blame Macc for, if we took Josh Allen, we still would have the two second round picks we gave the Colt to move up three spots so we could draft Darnold. Macc never made a pick till he heard Mel Kyper, say "he is the best player on the board", the same thing happen when we draft Leo Williams. Macc never did any research or he would not have taken Maye over Devin Cook. If Joe Douglas can hit on our first five or six picks we will be a completely different team. To be fair nobody wanted Josh Allen. I remember everyone panicking that the draft would start Mayfield, Darnold and leave us with Allen. Allen would of been worse than Darnold for us. No question about it. Allen has had the luck to have a great team around him (and coaches). The Bills went out and either signed or traded for Diggs, Beasley, Brown, Singletary. All whilst having a top defense and not asking too much of Allen. This year he’s absolutely killing it. Buffalo have been the perfect example of what to do with a young franchise qb. We are the exact opposite. I just hope it changes this year when we draft Lawerence 🤞🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich51 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, KodiakThunder said: Just wondering...On the chance we pick 2nd and get offered a ton for the pick, who is the 1 non-QB you would want in the top 10? Wilson, Trask or Jones depending on how they perform the rest of the year especially in Bowl games. I’d love to see Jones, Trask, Lawrence, and Fields in the playoffs. I also hope they all throw at the combine last year Burrow probably had the greatest season by a QB ever. Here’s a comparison of his stats (and Sam’s) vs this years top 5 in Games played, Passer efficiency, yds per game, yds per completion and completion % Burrow. 15. 202.0 378.1 14.1 76.3 Darnold 14 148.1 295.9 13.7 63.1 Lawrence. 6. 178.6 305.5. 13.6 70.7 Fields. 3 222.4. 302.7. 12.6 86.7. Wilson. 8. 201.6. 314.0. 15.1. 75.1. Trask. 6. 197.5 361.8. 14.7 70.1 Jones 6 210.3 366.0 15.8 78.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 3 hours ago, KodiakThunder said: Just wondering...On the chance we pick 2nd and get offered a ton for the pick, who is the 1 non-QB you would want in the top 10? Chase or Sewell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyt31 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 8 hours ago, KodiakThunder said: Just wondering...On the chance we pick 2nd and get offered a ton for the pick, who is the 1 non-QB you would want in the top 10? I'd still take Fields, but I'd be interested in Micah Parsons, Gregory Rousseau, Ja'Marr Chase (Pending on free agency), or Kyle Pitts pending on exactly where. I have my concerns about Chase, but it could all change during this time he's training with pros. If we're at #10, I might consider someone like Wyatt Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew39k Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 15 hours ago, KodiakThunder said: Just wondering...On the chance we pick 2nd and get offered a ton for the pick, who is the 1 non-QB you would want in the top 10? I'm all in on trading out. Jamar Chase is the guy I'd want most. Rosseau is intriguing too as is Micah Parsons. Jaylen Waddle or Kyle Pitts are other offensive guys I'd love to bring on board. Imagine getting to trade out of 1 or 2 overall, landing a first second and third or 4th this year and another first and second/third for next. The amount of talent that could be brought in the overhaul this team would be huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew39k Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Rich51 said: Wilson, Trask or Jones depending on how they perform the rest of the year especially in Bowl games. I’d love to see Jones, Trask, Lawrence, and Fields in the playoffs. I also hope they all throw at the combine last year Burrow probably had the greatest season by a QB ever. Here’s a comparison of his stats (and Sam’s) vs this years top 5 in Games played, Passer efficiency, yds per game, yds per completion and completion % Burrow. 15. 202.0 378.1 14.1 76.3 Darnold 14 148.1 295.9 13.7 63.1 Lawrence. 6. 178.6 305.5. 13.6 70.7 Fields. 3 222.4. 302.7. 12.6 86.7. Wilson. 8. 201.6. 314.0. 15.1. 75.1. Trask. 6. 197.5 361.8. 14.7 70.1 Jones 6 210.3 366.0 15.8 78.5 First it was Lawrence, with the argument that his is Generational and thats why you move on from Darnold, then months the argument for Fields was that also some kind of special QB, and now the argument is for literally any QB that could be a first round pick should be drafted? geeze. Lawrence being the exception, these dudes are all guys that are available in nearly every single draft. Selecting one of them this year, just to throw out Darnold is a waste of resources. If you aren't getting Lawrence(I'd personally do this even if it were Lawrence) use every bit of draft capital this year to shore up the rest of the team. Sign a vet to compete with Darnold. If Darnold loses, or flames out, then next year you will still be in position to draft a top QB, or at worst have the draft capital available to trade up for it. This way you don't lose out on the very real chance that Darnold, with an actual team around him develops into the franchise QB he had the potential to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, drew39k said: First it was Lawrence, with the argument that his is Generational and thats why you move on from Darnold, then months the argument for Fields was that also some kind of special QB, and now the argument is for literally any QB that could be a first round pick should be drafted? geeze. Lawrence being the exception, these dudes are all guys that are available in nearly every single draft. Selecting one of them this year, just to throw out Darnold is a waste of resources. If you aren't getting Lawrence(I'd personally do this even if it were Lawrence) use every bit of draft capital this year to shore up the rest of the team. Sign a vet to compete with Darnold. If Darnold loses, or flames out, then next year you will still be in position to draft a top QB, or at worst have the draft capital available to trade up for it. This way you don't lose out on the very real chance that Darnold, with an actual team around him develops into the franchise QB he had the potential to be. Such a tough decision. Darnold really hasn’t looked good. Decision making has been poor and long ball has been poor. He literally misses seeing wide open receiver. A better team around him is going to help but so much. It’s a gamble staying with him. I don’t envy Douglas’ position. But if he does what your suggesting, I won’t kill him about it. After this last draft, I’ll trust Douglas until he shows he shouldn’t be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew39k Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, SDotNova said: Such a tough decision. Darnold really hasn’t looked good. Decision making has been poor and long ball has been poor. He literally misses seeing wide open receiver. A better team around him is going to help but so much. It’s a gamble staying with him. I don’t envy Douglas’ position. But if he does what your suggesting, I won’t kill him about it. After this last draft, I’ll trust Douglas until he shows he shouldn’t be trusted. It's a lesser gamble to stick with him for one more year than it is do draft another rookie QB. In terms of risk mitigation, going Darnold plus vet while making the team stronger not only increases Darnold chance of success, but also the chance for whichever rookie we would draft next off season if Darnold fails. Any premium draft capital spent on the QB position this year would be less capital that could have been used to make the team more qb friendly. As far as your point about not having a great long ball, I agree. He isn't great there. He makes poor decisions too. And yes, he has missed open receivers. He also has had one of the worst offensive lines protecting him, which forces him to rush throws and take big hits. If a qb wants to throw deep but the oline fails to hold up, the qb isn't going to be able the male a good throw. If a qb drops back and only has time to make one read before he is hit, he is going to rush the read and throw into bad coverage. When a QB drops back and only gets one read before he is getting hit he isn't going to be able to see the wr open as a third read. Look at the games Darnold has played and look at how many times per game, per drop back he was hurried, hit or sacked. There have been games were he has been pressured on nearly every single drop back. The Jets as a team have the second worst pressure% in the league this year. Any QB you put in this position is going the have the issues you are mentioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, drew39k said: It's a lesser gamble to stick with him for one more year than it is do draft another rookie QB. In terms of risk mitigation, going Darnold plus vet while making the team stronger not only increases Darnold chance of success, but also the chance for whichever rookie we would draft next off season if Darnold fails. Any premium draft capital spent on the QB position this year would be less capital that could have been used to make the team more qb friendly. As far as your point about not having a great long ball, I agree. He isn't great there. He makes poor decisions too. And yes, he has missed open receivers. He also has had one of the worst offensive lines protecting him, which forces him to rush throws and take big hits. If a qb wants to throw deep but the oline fails to hold up, the qb isn't going to be able the male a good throw. If a qb drops back and only has time to make one read before he is hit, he is going to rush the read and throw into bad coverage. When a QB drops back and only gets one read before he is getting hit he isn't going to be able to see the wr open as a third read. Look at the games Darnold has played and look at how many times per game, per drop back he was hurried, hit or sacked. There have been games were he has been pressured on nearly every single drop back. The Jets as a team have the second worst pressure% in the league this year. Any QB you put in this position is going the have the issues you are mentioning. Kind of makes sense. Basically take the Colts approach. They went from 3 to 6 and got 3 additional seconds. Using those picks plus their picks, they’ve been able to build a team that can support a QB. As you said, if Darnold flames out, we’re picking top 10 again anyways. And since we’d be trading with a team picking in the top 10 this year, it’s likely that 2022 first round pick we’d get back would be a top 10 or top 15 pick at worse. I’m really down On Darnold. So I haven’t put much thought into a trade down scenario. But I’m intrigued. Edited November 27, 2020 by SDotNova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 If we get the first pick we have to draft Lawrence. If we don’t get the first pick I would have no problem trading down but remaining in top 7. Pick one of the other QB’s. I am not so sure, as of right now, between Fields, Trask, Wilson or Jones. To me, they are decent but not franchise level. As for Sam, he is done on the Jets. He is as much a problem as gase. Well maybe not as much but he is certainly no solution. Just watch his poise in the pocket vs Flacco. Same OL, same messed up game plan, less production. He gives us the best chance to lose vs Flacco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, xrade said: If we get the first pick we have to draft Lawrence. If we don’t get the first pick I would have no problem trading down but remaining in top 7. Pick one of the other QB’s. I am not so sure, as of right now, between Fields, Trask, Wilson or Jones. To me, they are decent but not franchise level. As for Sam, he is done on the Jets. He is as much a problem as gase. Well maybe not as much but he is certainly no solution. Just watch his poise in the pocket vs Flacco. Same OL, same messed up game plan, less production. He gives us the best chance to lose vs Flacco. If it's not Lawrence, than maybe Fields, other than picks 1 or 2, we take the 5th year option on Sam and trade down for a haul. I rather not gamble on another could-be franchise QB and just build for what might come next. Who knows, Sam might light it up once we finally give him talent to work with and a HC that guys buy into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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