Teams and Their 'Types'

[Hunter2_1]

23 hours ago, Ray Reed said:

The Ravens - for pretty much their entire existence - have sought out the tough, physical, baddest-guy-on-the-block types. 

It's really cool as a fan to constantly hear even the national media reference the hard-hitting, physical type players in the draft/league as guys who "just play like a Raven". I feel very fortunate that that's my team's identity because to me that's the coolest identity to have as a team. 

Must have been a pretty tough afternoon for teams that had to play against both Lewis's. Both wear you down on different sides of the ball

Edited April 30, 2020 by Hunter2_1

[Darbsk]

For the Raiders we've always had almost exclusively man to man press corners, usually quite long and usually very fast. It's why a player like DeAngelo Hall was such a bad fit and why Nnamdi was so good for the Raiders but struggled in a more zone based scheme. 

This regime is no different except that toughness and tackling have been major points of emphasis in the secondary recently. We traded away Conley to the Texans as he was deemed too passive in his tackling and play in general. Last year we brought in Joyner to play slot and drafted a hard hitter in safety Abram and a physical corner in Mullen who looks like a gem. This year we drafted (over drafted?) Arnette because he very much fits the mould of a feisty, good tackling press man corner and added another in Amik Robertson who plays like his hair is on fire. People mocking Henderson to us weren't really taking that into account, no way he was ever on our radar IMO. 

[Ray Reed]

6 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said:

Must have been a pretty tough afternoon for teams that had to play against both Lewis's. Both ware you down on different sides of the ball

Never forget the year Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis both won Defensive/Offensive player of the year....and the team only went 10-6 lol.

#KyleBollerThings

[vikingsrule]

The Vikes usually draft team captains, people with leadership qualities. Great athletes typically too.

[tyler735]

The Saints seem to like 5,000+ yard passers as they currently have 25% of the QB's in NFL history to surpass that mark on their roster.

[massraider]

5 hours ago, Darbsk said:

For the Raiders we've always had almost exclusively man to man press corners, usually quite long and usually very fast. It's why a player like DeAngelo Hall was such a bad fit and why Nnamdi was so good for the Raiders but struggled in a more zone based scheme. 

This regime is no different except that toughness and tackling have been major points of emphasis in the secondary recently. We traded away Conley to the Texans as he was deemed too passive in his tackling and play in general. Last year we brought in Joyner to play slot and drafted a hard hitter in safety Abram and a physical corner in Mullen who looks like a gem. This year we drafted (over drafted?) Arnette because he very much fits the mould of a feisty, good tackling press man corner and added another in Amik Robertson who plays like his hair is on fire. People mocking Henderson to us weren't really taking that into account, no way he was ever on our radar IMO. 

And size. I think the SF/BAL model is where they wanna be. Push you around on the OL with a power gap scheme, and long two way DEs. Cle/Maxx/Nassib, all big and long.

[sp6488]

12 hours ago, Ray Reed said:

Never forget the year Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis both won Defensive/Offensive player of the year....and the team only went 10-6 lol.

#KyleBollerThings

nobody remembers Anthony Wright

[EvilenFroggen]

Up until right now, Panthers have been LBs on LBs on LBs, in front of a new washed up/mostly washed up safety each year. 

[CBears019]

On 4/29/2020 at 5:50 PM, RamblinMan99 said:

Well, Chicago has always had a knack for acquiring linebackers that actually look like bears.  

Yup Chicago has had plenty of all-time great LBs play for them.  

And that would be phenomenal, except that they are equally attracted to QBs who also really like defenses.

[NinerNation21]

On 4/29/2020 at 9:07 AM, Hunter2_1 said:

SF seem to like After-the-Catch monsters - elusive, physical, strong etc after catch. Kittle (led everyone in YAC the last two seasons), Deebo (led all receivers in YAC as a rookie), and they've added Aiyuk who....yep.....led all receivers in YAC. Home runners with ball in hand in space, I guess. (What a pick, by the way Shan). Also, Jauan Jennings (7th rnd) is an after-the-catch monster but in more of a physical way. Only CeeDee Lamb had more yards after contact per catch, and forced missed tackles on 51% of catches (pff). 

This is pretty accurate. To break it down a little more:

SF Offense

Shanahan wants versatile pieces to move around to different positions. He doesn't want a WR could can only play slot or only play flanker, he wants someone who can move all around the formation and threaten from different angles.

Running backs HAVE to be pass catching options, period. There is zero value in a RB who can't pass catch or block. High SPARQ guys jump to the top of the 49ers' list. Matt Breida is a perfect example. TE's and FB's have to catch, block, and move around the formation with ease. Shanahan will scheme any pass catcher open, but YAC ability is a must. 

OL guys need to be mobile but willing to drive a guy in the ground. Scheme versatile. Yes, we're an outside zone team, but we ran plenty of gap and power this year to throw teams off and gash their defense. 

Shanahan is trying to make it nearly impossible to key in and predict this offense. He's trying to play 3-dimensional chess while defenses are playing checkers.

Bottom-Line Identity: Versatility, YAC, Speed, Contact Courage.

 

SF Defense

Overwhelm through pass rush, play heads-up zone on the back end is their winning formula. Pass coverage is a priority for anyone not playing along the d line. If you can't cover, you're not a great fit. Lynch's philosophy is to build a great and deep d-line that will collapse the pocket just about ever play. This is why we took a DL in the 1st round 3 out of his 4 years in SF, plus traded for Ford. 

Bottom-line Identity: Pass rushers on the DL, cover guys everywhere else. Must tackle. Prefer zone coverage. Speed and Athleticism is a must.

 

[Chargers]

Chargers for as long as I have been a fan have been primarily vertical attacking team. Or at least the are in their best years. Imagine all the big bodied tall WR we've had. We also seem to be a haven for UDFA skill players over the years. Gates, Ekeler Tyrell Williams, etc.

[animaltested]

As for the eternal girth and length argument, John Schneider and Pete Carroll definitely prefer length. 

[Chuck80]

On 4/29/2020 at 6:51 PM, RamblinMan99 said:

You're really an offshoot of us, but that's ok.  

Defensively yes , offensively Randy Fichtner likes the deep threat Wrs type with a shifty running back (Ravens use a similar running attack that the Steelers used to in the mid to late 90s however John did work under Cowher in the 90s)

 

Keith Butler uses a similar scheme to LeBeau's he just gets faster defensive ends and let's them sack the QB as well as tackle and help Watt and Dupree get sacks 

Edited May 2, 2020 by Chuck80

[Chuck80]

On 4/30/2020 at 9:42 AM, Ray Reed said:

Never forget the year Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis both won Defensive/Offensive player of the year....and the team only went 10-6 lol.

#KyleBollerThings

As a Steelers fan I respect no other team as I do the Ravens 

[Ray Reed]

7 minutes ago, Chuck80 said:

As a Steelers fan I respect no other team as I do the Ravens 

Likewise. Always a battle.