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6 hours ago, VonKarman said:

Three reasons:

1. Shortened preseason where new additions like Begleton will have problems adjusting. Usually veterans have bigger chances, now the difference it's even bigger due to the difference in the learning curve. MVS is the guy with most snaps played in the Packers after Adams.

2. MVS is the only guy who is a real vertical threat. He ran a 4.37, the next fastest guy y ESB with a 4.48. Begleton and Kumerow are not fast. He is a different type of reciever that any teams needs. Different weapons are needed in offenses. This one in particular is quite important for the LaFleur offense if he wants to play a lot of play action and RPOs, since it stretches the defense. If we had another speedster in the team I wouldn't probably think the same.

3. He's cheap.

There are 5 WR that unless something unforeseen happens are going to make the team: Adams, Funchess, MVS, Lazard, ESB. The sixth spot is either for Kumerow or Begleton.

I think 1 and 2 are fair points, with 3 being irrelevant because the guys kept are not costing more than MVS.

1. I agree with this to some extent. MVS will have the leg up on a guy like Begleton, but not Kumerow. Begleton will have to really perform in TC and preseason (assuming both happen somewhat normally). MVS though still has to take that next step. If you look at his snap count he was heavy early on, but at week 10 he saw a drastic drop in snaps for the remainder of the year. This could more of Lazard being utilized more, but either way MVS was not used nearly as much as the beginning of the season. 

2. Agree. MVS is the only true speedster left. I don't think that is enough to save him though. I disagree with the RPO part too, RPO typically is not a guy running straight down the field; more getting a shorter route and the ball to a guy in space. I think we could use both Jones and Ervin in a lot of these. Play action yes, MVS can take the top off the defense, but our deep threats in past have not been 4.3 guys; Jordy was one of the better play action deep threats we had and he was a 4.5 guy. 

I think right now the only locks to make the roster are Adams, Funchess due to his guaranteed money, and then Lazard. The rest are up in the air. 

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1 hour ago, rbens06 said:

I think right now the only locks to make the roster are Adams, Funchess due to his guaranteed money, and then Lazard. The rest are up in the air.

I'd say that's a fair summation of how some fans feel.
As far as the Packers front office, I'd suggest they are set on the top 5 and the competition is at WR6 with ST's and upside being the reasons to keep a 6th.
Adams-Funchess-EQ-Lazard-MVS are the top 5 and there really isn't anybody else who can ****** one of those slots away in an abbreviated offseason

You also have Tyler Ervin at PR/KR, so for the STs, its probably gunner duties more than return duties.

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55 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

I'd say that's a fair summation of how some fans feel.
As far as the Packers front office, I'd suggest they are set on the top 5 and the competition is at WR6 with ST's and upside being the reasons to keep a 6th.
Adams-Funchess-EQ-Lazard-MVS are the top 5 and there really isn't anybody else who can ****** one of those slots away in an abbreviated offseason

You also have Tyler Ervin at PR/KR, so for the STs, its probably gunner duties more than return duties.

I’d agree that those are probably the top five, but I doubt there is that big of a gap based on how last season played out. With the possibility that they keep only five, I don’t think you can really label ESB or MVS as locks.

Of the other guys, only Begleton and Stewart don’t have a year in the offense. Stewart seems destined for the practice squad but I don’t know that you can completely dismiss the others.

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45 minutes ago, Deps said:

I don’t think you can really label ESB as a lock

I think that's a fair summation of how some fans feel....:)

Equanimeous is a lock unless somebody can offer football-related reasons why not. Many fans certainly forgot about the guy, but the front office didn't. My guess is he'll be #3 in snaps played by WR's in 2020 -  he has the athleticism, he showed he can play WR at an NFL level and he's a good & willing blocker.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/equanimeous-st-brown

EQ also showed that QB1 trusts him in crunch time, making a great contorted catch with time ticking down in Q4. That catch set up the winning FG vs SF in 2018. EQ is also a work- out stud, a very smart player and he knows the Packers offense.


Q: Who is the WR that's going to rise up and knock him out of the top 5 ? I don't see anybody else on the current 90 with those credentials.

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ESB has the biggest upside of all the young WRs. If he does not perform well during preseason are you willing to cut him in order to put someone as a WR6 who will play 10% of the snaps? Even more so when we play a lot of 21 and 12 personnel? Seems like a very dumb idea.

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1 hour ago, VonKarman said:

ESB has the biggest upside of all the young WRs. If he does not perform well during preseason are you willing to cut him in order to put someone as a WR6 who will play 10% of the snaps? Even more so when we play a lot of 21 and 12 personnel? Seems like a very dumb idea.

I’d be willing to bet MVS has a higher chance of being cut than ESB 

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Also, the 6th WR has more value than 10% of snaps. These guys are going to contribute on ST too. 

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2 hours ago, Shanedorf said:

I'd say that's a fair summation of how some fans feel.
As far as the Packers front office, I'd suggest they are set on the top 5 and the competition is at WR6 with ST's and upside being the reasons to keep a 6th.
Adams-Funchess-EQ-Lazard-MVS are the top 5 and there really isn't anybody else who can ****** one of those slots away in an abbreviated offseason

You also have Tyler Ervin at PR/KR, so for the STs, its probably gunner duties more than return duties.

47 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

I think that's a fair summation of how some fans feel....:)

Equanimeous is a lock unless somebody can offer football-related reasons why not. Many fans certainly forgot about the guy, but the front office didn't. My guess is he'll be #3 in snaps played by WR's in 2020 -  he has the athleticism, he showed he can play WR at an NFL level and he's a good & willing blocker.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/equanimeous-st-brown

EQ also showed that QB1 trusts him in crunch time, making a great contorted catch with time ticking down in Q4. That catch set up the winning FG vs SF in 2018. EQ is also a work- out stud, a very smart player and he knows the Packers offense.


Q: Who is the WR that's going to rise up and knock him out of the top 5 ? I don't see anybody else on the current 90 with those credentials.

 

38 minutes ago, VonKarman said:

ESB has the biggest upside of all the young WRs. If he does not perform well during preseason are you willing to cut him in order to put someone as a WR6 who will play 10% of the snaps? Even more so when we play a lot of 21 and 12 personnel? Seems like a very dumb idea.

I'm gong to try and take these in order here:

I agree that those are the top 5 heading into this lull period we will have until TC/Preseasons kick off, but with how fair of a shot we give young, unproven guys especially at WR, I dont think even the FO has them as locks. I think they have a lot of confidence in those 5, and would be more than ok with those as our top 5, but I think they have confidence in some of the other guys too, like Kumerow, that makes 4/5 as not locks. Just my opinion and no real way to prove it either way.

St. Brown, who i do really like and agree is a very talented WR, but football reason why he would not be a lock is in two years he has not proven anything to warrant a lock. He showed some flashes his rookie year, but he has 21 catches to his name. He was out all of last season and got zero game experience. I agree he showed promise as a rookie, but its not like he dominated any one game or every week from week 1; he didn't get on the field until October (i believe another injury). I don't see how you can say he has the trust of 12; that was one game and then this past year he was out, his rapport with Rodgers is very unknown. I like the guy a lot at WR, but there is still so much unknown still with him that the small sample size we have is not enough to give a good evaluation. To me, simply put a 6th round WR that flashed some in his rookie year and showed a lot of upside, but then missed all his second season makes him not a lock. It's not like he took over games when he played, yes made some plays, but there were errors too, plus the injuries don't help.

I agree that St. Brown has a very high ceiling and most likely the highest of the young guys we have, but I think if he doesn't show up and perform at TC and Preseason then why would you not at least have considerations in cutting him in favor of a guy like Kumerow, Begleton, Shepherd possible, maybe even Taylor or Stewart if they really perform, or even getting another guy that is still a free agent or someone that is cut during the process. Likelihood is that WR5 and WR6 will also have some special teams responsibilities and so I think not even considering others for a guy that doesnt perform is a poor choice. A guys potential can only keep him on a roster so long and the more years he doesnt show up the more likely that the potential is not going to save him a spot. I know his injury was not a significant injury, i.e. torn ACL, but if he was that poised to breakout and such why did we not keep him on the roster last year? His potential got him to IR, but not enough for us to hold a spot for him for a week and then IR return him. 

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1 hour ago, Shanedorf said:

I think that's a fair summation of how some fans feel....:)

Equanimeous is a lock unless somebody can offer football-related reasons why not. Many fans certainly forgot about the guy, but the front office didn't. My guess is he'll be #3 in snaps played by WR's in 2020 -  he has the athleticism, he showed he can play WR at an NFL level and he's a good & willing blocker.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/equanimeous-st-brown

EQ also showed that QB1 trusts him in crunch time, making a great contorted catch with time ticking down in Q4. That catch set up the winning FG vs SF in 2018. EQ is also a work- out stud, a very smart player and he knows the Packers offense.


Q: Who is the WR that's going to rise up and knock him out of the top 5 ? I don't see anybody else on the current 90 with those credentials.

He's also a former sixth-round pick who has 21 NFL receptions. Given that he spent last year on IR, Darius Shepherd and Malik Taylor might be looked at as having more experience in the Packers offense than he does. 

I agree that he will likely make the roster (I'd put it 70/30), but I also think there is a 50/50 chance that the Packers only keep five receivers on the active roster. And I don't think "the field" has a 0% chance should that be the case.

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3 minutes ago, festiveonion said:

I’d be willing to bet MVS has a higher chance of being cut than ESB 

 

Just now, festiveonion said:

Also, the 6th WR has more value than 10% of snaps. These guys are going to contribute on ST too. 

I agree with both of these.

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5 minutes ago, Deps said:

He's also a former sixth-round pick who has 21 NFL receptions. Given that he spent last year on IR, Darius Shepherd and Malik Taylor might be looked at as having more experience in the Packers offense than he does. 

I agree that he will likely make the roster (I'd put it 70/30), but I also think there is a 50/50 chance that the Packers only keep five receivers on the active roster. And I don't think "the field" has a 0% chance should that be the case.

The former 6th isn't all that irrelevant, we're heading into year 3 of a WR's maturation and that draft spot was more about the Father than the son
Darius Shepard and Malik Taylor went undrafted, so if you're going to lean on the 6th round status -  what does that say about the other candidates ?

Your reasons for not buying into EQ are his limited experience, but guys with even less are going to knock him off the roster ?
EQ has 350 snaps on offense, Darius Shepard has 53, Malik Taylor has 0.
I understand that Shepard had more practice time in 2019, but EQ was in all the meetings, coaching sessions etc.
And on-field snaps vs a real defense matter way more

With abbreviated offseason: lesser WRs with lesser athleticism, less experience and no connection to QB1 aren't knocking EQ off the 53.
EQ= Lock. We'll meet back here in September to see how that provocative proclamation holds up. :)

I think GB keeps only 5 this year. WR6 was inactive for all the games last year ( most of the time it was Ryan Grant, but also Adams when he was hurt)

http://www.nfl.com/inactives?team=GB

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1 hour ago, Deps said:

He's also a former sixth-round pick who has 21 NFL receptions. Given that he spent last year on IR, Darius Shepherd and Malik Taylor might be looked at as having more experience in the Packers offense than he does.

I couldnt tell you a thing about Taylor - but dont waste my time with Shepard taking EQs roster spot. That would be down right criminal.

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1 hour ago, Shanedorf said:

The former 6th isn't all that irrelevant, we're heading into year 3 of a WR's maturation and that draft spot was more about the Father than the son
Darius Shepard and Malik Taylor went undrafted, so if you're going to lean on the 6th round status -  what does that say about the other candidates ?

Your reasons for not buying into EQ are his limited experience, but guys with even less are going to knock him off the roster ?
EQ has 350 snaps on offense, Darius Shepard has 53, Malik Taylor has 0.
I understand that Shepard had more practice time in 2019, but EQ was in all the meetings, coaching sessions etc.
And on-field snaps vs a real defense matter way more

With abbreviated offseason: lesser WRs with lesser athleticism, less experience and no connection to QB1 aren't knocking EQ off the 53.
EQ= Lock. We'll meet back here in September to see how that provocative proclamation holds up. :)

I think GB keeps only 5 this year. WR6 was inactive for all the games last year ( most of the time it was Ryan Grant, but also Adams when he was hurt)

http://www.nfl.com/inactives?team=GB

I wasn’t arguing that any of those guys should be considered above ESB. I said as much. But I have a high standard for the word lock. Outside of projected starters I have four locks (first three picks and Gary) and two near locks (Lazard and Sullivan). ESB doesn’t belong in that category. Like I said I think he will make the roster, but that isn’t the same thing. He had all of the athletic traits when he slipped to the sixth round and when he lost early playing time to a guy considered rawer coming into the draft. 

If they keep six, Taylor intrigues me. Small school guy with solid measurables who they thought enough of to keep around all year. He could get cut before camp or he could make the team.

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1 hour ago, Shanedorf said:

The former 6th isn't all that irrelevant, we're heading into year 3 of a WR's maturation and that draft spot was more about the Father than the son
Darius Shepard and Malik Taylor went undrafted, so if you're going to lean on the 6th round status -  what does that say about the other candidates ?

Your reasons for not buying into EQ are his limited experience, but guys with even less are going to knock him off the roster ?
EQ has 350 snaps on offense, Darius Shepard has 53, Malik Taylor has 0.
I understand that Shepard had more practice time in 2019, but EQ was in all the meetings, coaching sessions etc.
And on-field snaps vs a real defense matter way more

With abbreviated offseason: lesser WRs with lesser athleticism, less experience and no connection to QB1 aren't knocking EQ off the 53.
EQ= Lock. We'll meet back here in September to see how that provocative proclamation holds up. :)

I think GB keeps only 5 this year. WR6 was inactive for all the games last year ( most of the time it was Ryan Grant, but also Adams when he was hurt)

http://www.nfl.com/inactives?team=GB

Agree draft position doesn't matter, to an extent. For the part you noted it is irrelevant.

His 350 snaps came as a rookie in a different offense. So guys like Shepherd and Taylor have more experience in running the plays from LaFleurs playbook. St. Brown can be in the meetings and watch film and such, but he cannot run the route on field with the guys and have the coaches coach him based on the system we have in place now. Also, as noted those snaps came a year ago, its not like it was when Jordy was out for a year we have a guy that has a ton of reps under his belt, St. Brown has one season, which was not a full 16 games. On reps are more important, but in the grand scheme of things its not like he has a huge advantage over any of those guys because of the 350 snaps.

Shepherd played with QB1, you can make the argument his connection is on the same level, if not more than, Brown's as Shepherd's is a more recent connection. Brown missed a year, any connection with Rodgers could be gone. Also, the way you keep saying he has this connection with Rodgers is like you are talking about Adams, not a guy that played some his rookie year and missed all his second year; its not like St. Brown was Rodgers go to guy that season. 

I am not sure many have argued that he doesn't make the roster, just that he is not a slam dunk lock like some are saying. We will never really know if he is a lock right now, only hindsight we can have is that if he doesnt make the roster he was not a lock. Even if he makes it doesnt mean he is a lock at this moment. 

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5 minutes ago, Leader said:

I couldnt tell you a thing about Taylor - but dont waste my time with Shepard taking EQs roster spot. That would be down right criminal.

Agree I don't predict that happening, but a guy like Shepherd is a completely different type of receiver, so if for some reason they did go that route it was for that type of receiver. I dont see that holding true, but thats possible. 

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