Andy Dalton now a Cowboy

[Calvert28]

1 minute ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said:

Take QB out of the equation - how do you feel about our roster? What are your initial expectations?

Do your expectations change between Dalton and Dak?

Expectations are playoff expectations. We are good enough to get there h/e with our lack of a legit pass rush or secondary it's all very much up in the air. 

Honestly no. Both Dalton and Dak have been held back because of poor coaching so we have yet to see either make that leap that would put them into great or elite range. Since neither one has shown the ability to put the team on their backs then what evidence do we have that one is that much more valuable then the other when the game is on the line? We have seen both fall short. So no it doesn't change my expectations, but what does change my outlook is 7M vs 35M.

[Calvert28]

7 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

My statistical rants? lol I posted career numbers. Obviously they don’t favor your stance so you have resorted to a crazy hypothetical that includes Dalton leading the team to a conference championship game for the first time in 25 years only to fall one game shy of a SB due to his errors. I promise you if we get to the NFCC game with Dalton as QB no one will be talking about paying Dak, unless we actually lose to him in the championship game.

If Dak at 30m went to the panthers and beat us in the championship then yes, the $30m would have been worth it.

 

if Dak is holding out and we go to the championship then no. The 30m won’t be a regret because we haven’t seen Dak even get there

I agree, if we get to the NFC championship game then who says we just couldn't do it by drafting a Dak like player with Sam Ehlinger next year or someone else and have them take us all the way?

[Texas_OutLaw7]

8 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

My statistical rants? lol I posted career numbers. Obviously they don’t favor your stance so you have resorted to a crazy hypothetical that includes Dalton leading the team to a conference championship game for the first time in 25 years only to fall one game shy of a SB due to his errors. I promise you if we get to the NFCC game with Dalton as QB no one will be talking about paying Dak, unless we actually lose to him in the championship game.

If Dak at 30m went to the panthers and beat us in the championship then yes, the $30m would have been worth it.

 

if Dak is holding out and we go to the championship then no. The 30m won’t be a regret because we haven’t seen Dak even get there

Hypothetical is just wondering what the baseline of 30 million is worth,

[WizardHawk]

 

This is incredibly wild, imo. Dalton literally came to Dallas for slightly more than Cooper Rush money, barring an injury to Dak. 

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*One example: Dalton would have to play 50 percent of the snaps over the course of the entire season - regular season and playoffs - to reach his first big bonus, of $1 million.

*Another level of partial play-time and playoff success would get him another bonus.

*One more level of partial play-time and playoff success would get him an additional bonus.

*And finally, to earn the entire $7 million? Andy Dalton would have to play an active role in a Cowboys' Super Bowl win.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2020 by WizardHawk

[DaBoys]

Amazing to me that Dalton could lead us to the NFCC Game and there would still be people complaining we didn’t pay Dak. Then call us delusional or haters

[Texas_OutLaw7]

8 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Expectations are playoff expectations. We are good enough to get there h/e with our lack of a legit pass rush or secondary it's all very much up in the air.

Agreed.

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Honestly no. Both Dalton and Dak have been held back because of poor coaching so we have yet to see either make that leap that would put them into great or elite range. Since neither one has shown the ability to put the team on their backs then what evidence do we have that one is that much more valuable then the other when the game is on the line? We have seen both fall short. So no it doesn't change my expectations, but what does change my outlook is 7M vs 35M.

If you honestly don't see a difference between Dak and Dalton, that is fine as to why you would view it that way. I don't agree at all. But I can respect you thinking they can produce the same.

[Calvert28]

1 minute ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said:

Agreed.

If you honestly don't see a difference between Dak and Dalton, that is fine as to why you would view it that way. I don't agree at all. But I can respect you thinking they can produce the same.

All I will say is that we've seen both Joe Flacco and Colin Kaepernick start in the same SB. So I have no doubt we can get there with either Dak or Andy given the right circumstances. 

[Texas_OutLaw7]

4 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

Amazing to me that Dalton could lead us to the NFCC Game and there would still be people complaining we didn’t pay Dak. Then call us delusional or haters

No, that wasn't the point. I am asking what is 30 million worth.

You yourself have agreed that Dak is a better QB. Calvert doesn't think so - but you do. Cool.

So my question is what is worth the 30 million.

If we miss the playoffs, is it worth spending the 30 million to just make it to the WC? Probably not.

What about winning the division? Is that worth it?

Championship Game?

Superbowl?

Superbowl win? I think this one is easy for everyone. If you knew better QB play would cement you a victory, Dak could ask for 50 and no one would care.

My question is a bright line test. What is 30 million worth to you. This isn't hard.

[Texas_OutLaw7]

Just now, Calvert28 said:

All I will say is that we've seen both Joe Flacco and Colin Kaepernick start in the same SB. So I have no doubt we can get there with either Dak or Andy given the right circumstances. 

I think Flacco is not fair, he played inspired that year in the playoffs.

But yes, we have seen inferior QBs win - like Brad Johnson. I don't think our team is Ravens or Bucs level to carry with an inferior QB, but it is possible.

[Calvert28]

Just now, Texas_OutLaw7 said:

I think Flacco is not fair, he played inspired that year in the playoffs.

But yes, we have seen inferior QBs win - like Brad Johnson. I don't think our team is Ravens or Bucs level to carry with an inferior QB, but it is possible.

Had we kept both Quinn and Jones on top of everything else we've done it would have been a strong probability IMO? I would say we could have made the playoffs with Rush if we had. 

[WizardHawk]

6 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Had we kept both Quinn and Jones on top of everything else we've done it would have been a strong probability IMO? I would say we could have made the playoffs with Rush if we had. 

LOL.....come on now. GTFOH with this. LMFAO. 

 

I'll show myself out of this thread. Thanks anyway. LOLOLOLOL!!!

Edited May 4, 2020 by WizardHawk

[Texas_OutLaw7]

2 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Had we kept both Quinn and Jones on top of everything else we've done it would have been a strong probability IMO? I would say we could have made the playoffs with Rush if we had. 

If we had kept Jones and Traded for Adams - would have been very nice. Team is very talented. It is one of the reasons I am so excited for the potential. Also one of the reasons I am more inclined to essentially give Dak whatever he wants. I am all in this year.

[CAPJ]

8 minutes ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said:

No, that wasn't the point. I am asking what is 30 million worth.

You yourself have agreed that Dak is a better QB. Calvert doesn't think so - but you do. Cool.

So my question is what is worth the 30 million.

If we miss the playoffs, is it worth spending the 30 million to just make it to the WC? Probably not.

What about winning the division? Is that worth it?

Championship Game?

Superbowl?

Superbowl win? I think this one is easy for everyone. If you knew better QB play would cement you a victory, Dak could ask for 50 and no one would care.

My question is a bright line test. What is 30 million worth to you. This isn't hard.

To me it is harder to justify rolling with Dalton now over Dak. If this was at the beginning of the offseason and the outcome could be:

Dak

Or

Dalton, Quinn, Byron

Not sure I wouldnt still choose Dak, but the debate would be much, much closer.

[Texas_OutLaw7]

Right - but we could have kept Quinn and Byron and signed Dak. That was never the question. They Choose not to keep Jones and Quinn.

[Calvert28]

Just now, WizardHawk said:

LOL.....come on now. GTFOH with this. LMFAO. 

I'm just saying our talent level would be off the ****ing charts. It would warrant an insane amount of hype. Now take a look at that Depth Chart with a do over and tell me that doesn't give you a chubby and wet dreams?

 

Pos	No.	Player 1	No	Player 2	No	Player 3	No	Player 4	No	Player 5
OFFENSE
LWR	13	Gallup, Michael 18/3	15	Smith, Devin SF19	85	Brown, Noah 17/7	81	Johnson, Jon'Vea CF19
RWR	19	Cooper, Amari T/Oak	83	Bryant, Ventell CF19
SWR	88	Lamb, CeeDee 20/1	11	Wilson, Cedrick 18/6	14	Jones, Tevin SF19
LT	77	Smith, Tyron 11/1
LG	52	Williams, Connor 18/2	66	McGovern, Connor 19/3
C	73	Looney, Joe U/Ten	63	Biadasz, Tyler 20/4	61	Redmond, Adam W/Buf	62	Henry, Marcus SF19
RG	70	Martin, Zack 14/1	67	Miller, Wyatt P/Cin	78	Wichmann, Cody SF18
RT	71	Collins, La'el CF15	69	Knight, Brandon CF19	65	Hyatt, Mitch CF19
TE	89	Jarwin, Blake CF17	86	Sean McKeon UDFA	80	Schultz, Dalton 18/4	87	Bell, Blake U/KC		Hikutini, Cole SF19
QB	4	Prescott, Dak FP	7	Dalton, Andy FA20	5	Thorson, Clayton SF19	1	DiNucci, Ben 20/7
RB	21	Elliott, Ezekiel 16/1	20	Pollard, Tony 19/4	46	Chunn, Jordan CF18		Sewo Olonilua UDFA
FB	49	OLAWALE, JAMIZE T/Oak		Sewo Olonilua UDFA
DEFENSE
LDE	90	Lawrence, Demarcus 14/2	56	Jackson, Joe 19/5	51	Anae, Bradlee 20/5	00	SMITH, ALDON SUS
LDT	93	MCCOY, GERALD U/Car	79	Gallimore, Neville 20/3		Hill, Trysten 19/2		Garrett Marino UDFA
NT	95	Poe, Dontari U/Car	75	Woods, Antwaun SF18	99	Woods, Antwaun SF18
RDE	98	Quinn, Robert 12/3	92	CRAWFORD, TYRONE 12/3	74	Armstrong, Dorance 18/4	94	Gregory, Randy SUS/IND		Ron’Dell Carter UDFA
SLB	55	Vander Esch, Leighton 18/1	48	Thomas, Joe U/GB		Azur Kamara UDFA
MLB	54	Smith, Jaylon 16/2	57	Gifford, Luke CF19
WLB	50	LEE, SEAN 10/2	53	March, Justin SF17
LCB	30	Diggs, Trevon 20/2	31	Brown, Anthony 16/6	00	Worley, Daryl U/LV	33	Burton, Deante P/Ind	00
S	25	Awuzie, Chidobe 17/2		Woods, Xavier 17/5
S	27	Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha U/Chi	23	Thompson, Darian P/Arz	37	Wilson, Donovan 19/6
RCB	24	Jones, Byron 17/2	28	Canady, Maurice U/NYJ	41	Robinson II, Reggie 20/4	39	Westry, Chris CF19	29	GOODWIN, CJ P/Dal
NB	27	Lewis, Jourdan 17/3		Brown, Anthony 16/6