JAF-N72EX Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, DannyB said: Oh like those trick plays?? Dude that factors in ZERO for me as far as MVP resume. It's fun, but whatever. Those weren't trick plays. He literally lined up as a traditional TE in a heavy set and on one occasion beat the LB on a back shoulder throw along the sideline and kept his feet in bounds. If it were that easy then all defensive lineman would be doing it. But suit yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Tiki Barber and Carson Palmer both deserved it over Shaun Alexander in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Starless said: Tiki Barber and Carson Palmer both deserved it over Shaun Alexander in 2005. Wait, the same Alexander that carried his team to a Super Bowl that they should've won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, JustAnotherFan said: Rodgers over JJ Watt in 2014. It's one that I understood (Qb>>) but I did not agree with it at all. Watt was a monster that year on BOTH sides of the ball. That was seriously one of the best and most consistent performances I have ever seen from a DL player. Came here to say the same thing, as you'd imagine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Yin-Yang said: 3 offensive TDs, 1 defensive. *2 defensive. One pick six, one FR six... ...Along with 20 sacks, 29 TFLs, 16 PDs, 4 Forced Fumbles, 5 Fumble Recoveries and an INT. If this sort of season isn't going to get an MVP for a defensive player... nothing will. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Wait, the same Alexander that carried his team to a Super Bowl that they should've won? He didn't carry them. That team was stacked. Hasselbeck had a career year and they had one of the best offensive lines of the 21st century. Plus, Alexander's only big advantage over Barber was in touchdowns, and 18 of his 27 came from inside 5 yards while Barber had Brandon Jacobs vulturing his goal line carries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, ET80 said: Along with 20 sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles, 5 Fumble Recoveries and an INT. If this sort of season isn't going to get an MVP for a defensive player, nothing will. Jesus. When I fact checked my comment about offense earlier I skipped past the defense stats and had no idea his stat line looked like that. My god. I just remember him seemingly making a play ojn damn near every down every single week it seemed. Unreal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Starless said: He didn't carry them. That team was stacked. Hasselbeck had a career year and they had one of the best offensive lines of the 21st century. Plus, Alexander's only big advantage over Barber was in touchdowns, and 18 of his 27 came from inside 5 yards while Barber had Brandon Jacobs vulturing his goal line carries. I strongly disagree on him not carrying that team. His OL was great, no doubt. But they had a weak defense (injuries) and he was the reason WHY Hasselback had a career year. I'm not going to get back into Tiki Barber again on here either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: I strongly disagree on him not carrying that team. His OL was great, no doubt. But they had a weak defense (injuries) and he was the reason WHY Hasselback had a career year. I'm not going to get back into Tiki Barber again on here either. Well, Carson Palmer led the league in TD passes and completion percentage and led the Bengals to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Jesus. When I fact checked my comment about offense earlier I skipped past the defense stats and had no idea his stat line looked like that. My god. I just remember him seemingly making a play ojn damn near every down every single week it seemed. Unreal. I forgot the 29 TFLs, too. Yes, 29. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Starless said: Well, Carson Palmer led the league in TD passes and completion percentage and led the Bengals to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years. Alexander set records that year (IIRC) and took his team to the SB. That outweighs a QB leading the league in passing TD's and completion percentage while playing with the likes of Ocho--I hate that name--, Housh (who was better than Ocho), Rudy Johnson, and Chris Perry and getting going one and done in the playoffs by getting roasted by a division rival.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, ET80 said: I forgot the 29 TFLs, too. Yes, 29. Lol. This is my surprised face. -- Again, I understand the decision but it doesn't make it right. Watt should have ATLEAST shared the MVP with Rodgers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 2009: Brees > Peyton 2008: Warner > Peyton - Warner had better statistics, had to constantly get into shootouts to keep Arizona in games and actually won the division. 2005: Palmer > Alexander - Context is key here. Alexander was a product of Hutchinson/Jones; Palmer made Cincinnati relevant. 2002: Favre > Gannon - Favre had inferior statistics, but carried a weak supporting cast to 12 wins and his defense was average. Edited May 10, 2020 by Elky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, JustAnotherFan said: Watt should have ATLEAST shared the MVP with Rodgers. I would have been absolutely content with this. Watt took a 2-14 Texans team and dragged them to a 9-7 finish - it was simply the most dominant thing I've ever seen over the course of a 16 game season. From pole to pole, he was unstoppable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ET80 said: I would have been absolutely content with this. Watt took a 2-14 Texans team and dragged them to a 9-7 finish - it was simply the most dominant thing I've ever seen over the course of a 16 game season. From pole to pole, he was unstoppable. Yep. that's how I felt at the time too. I would've been fine that. But to leave him out completely was disrespectful. No crap. At that time, I was literally watching every single game from every team because it essentially my (side) job and I would start with the each team in alphabetical order and I remember it got to a point that I would skip other teams just to watch him play and go "what else did he do this week". And still, till this day, there has never been a defensive player that has made me wanna watch them more than Watt. And I'm a Bears fan who has Mack on his team and seen Urlacher, Brigs, Rosevelt, Harris, Peanut, etc and all of them are great but none of them had the same impact as Watt did. No defensive player has. (edit: IMO--I know how this forum can work sometimes) Edited May 10, 2020 by JustAnotherFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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