BleedTheClock Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 11 hours ago, rickyt31 said: The big difference is that the big men will be developed to play outside of the paint. I think the NBA's Run n' Gun style will eliminate true big men. If you watch any high school or college game, almost every big man is a stretch 4/5. Do any NBA teams run their offense through a post-up player? Maybe Utah with Jokic? idk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyt31 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 4 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: I think the NBA's Run n' Gun style will eliminate true big men. If you watch any high school or college game, almost every big man is a stretch 4/5. Do any NBA teams run their offense through a post-up player? Maybe Utah with Jokic? idk... We still have centers like Gobert, Whiteside, Drummond, and others. Cousins was pretty much in that group when he was healthy. I think 7'0 centers are just going to more athletic to defend pick n rolls. Their offensive style won't have to change. We're going to see more David Robinson body types instead of Ewings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 10 hours ago, rickyt31 said: We still have centers like Gobert, Whiteside, Drummond, and others. Cousins was pretty much in that group when he was healthy. I think 7'0 centers are just going to more athletic to defend pick n rolls. Their offensive style won't have to change. We're going to see more David Robinson body types instead of Ewings. Yeah but none of the guys you listed have the offense ran through them outside of Cousins when he was healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Yeah but none of the guys you listed have the offense ran through them outside of Cousins when he was healthy. And for good reason. Offenses run through the post are not nearly as efficient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: And for good reason. Offenses run through the post are not nearly as efficient. Disagree. When I think of offensive efficiency, I think of the Spurs running through Duncan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Disagree. When I think of offensive efficiency, I think of the Spurs running through Duncan. Um, why? Their offensive ratings in their first 4 championships were: 104.0, 105.6, 107.5, and 109.2. Not only are those bad numbers now, they only finished top 5 in offensive rating 1x. That 109.2 number? Would have been 20th this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Um, why? Their offensive ratings in their first 4 championships were: 104.0, 105.6, 107.5, and 109.2. Not only are those bad numbers now, they only finished top 5 in offensive rating 1x. That 109.2 number? Would have been 20th this season. Scoring points doesn’t mean you’re being the most efficient. I’m willing to bet their field goal percentage was extremely high comparatively. They always got good shots within the rhythm of their offense. Golden State and these other high powered offenses work because they have the superest of superteams. They aren’t getting as consistently as good of looks as those Spurs players got IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Scoring points doesn’t mean you’re being the most efficient. I’m willing to bet their field goal percentage was extremely high comparatively. They always got good shots within the rhythm of their offense. What? What's the point of an offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Just now, seminoles1 said: What? What's the point of an offense? To be efficient. To score the most points per possession. If a team runs down and jacks up shots 6 seconds into the shot clock and scores 116 points on 38% shooting, it’s not as efficient as a team that takes their time and scores 105 points on 48% shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Just now, BleedTheClock said: To be efficient. To score the most points per possession. If a team runs down and jacks up shots 6 seconds into the shot clock and scores 116 points on 38% shooting, it’s not as efficient as a team that takes their time and scores 105 points on 48% shooting. You know what offensive rating measures, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 The Spurs offense improved as they stopped running it through Duncan and started relying more heavily on Manu/TP. Perimeter offense is more valuable and efficient than low post offense. That's just how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: To be efficient. To score the most points per possession. If a team runs down and jacks up shots 6 seconds into the shot clock and scores 116 points on 38% shooting, it’s not as efficient as a team that takes their time and scores 105 points on 48% shooting. You're also just wrong about the percentages. The Spurs' TS%s for those same 4 years: 52.3, 54.1, 53.4, and 56.1. They got more efficient the farther away from the post they played. That 56.1%? Also good for 20th this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 5 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: Scoring points doesn’t mean you’re being the most efficient. I’m willing to bet their field goal percentage was extremely high comparatively. They always got good shots within the rhythm of their offense. Golden State and these other high powered offenses work because they have the superest of superteams. They aren’t getting as consistently as good of looks as those Spurs players got IMO. Not true. GS are arguably the greatest team ever at getting good looks. They have great cutters and high IQ guys who know how to get easy buckets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonserinNC Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I dont like the style of play that depends more on the ref calls and I feel like old school kind of did more even though it was rougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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