Titans_Matt Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I'm not really understanding all the experts picking Indy to win the division because Brissett to 38 year old Rivers seems like a very lateral move to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Titans_Matt said: I'm not really understanding all the experts picking Indy to win the division because Brissett to 38 year old Rivers seems like a very lateral move to me Not sure I see a lateral move there. But a drastic upgrade? Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 44 minutes ago, Daniel said: No, and that's not what I'm saying. Patrick Mahomes had a record 2018, and he regressed in 19 because yes, historical things don't happen twice in a row like that. But he was still an elite QB in 2019. That's not really regression, that's an elite player still playing at a slightly less elite level. I'm talking about significant steps backward. Henry and Tannehill are both in situation where historically, almost every player in similar situations regressed drastically. Jackson isn't. They're two different things, and that's why it makes sense to say only one of those should regress significantly. Yeah maybe Jackson doesn’t regress significantly like Mahomes didn’t, but what about Baltimore’s rushing attack as a whole? The other top rushing attacks of all time have largely shown a pattern of great decline the following season: The 1978 Patriots went from 3,165 yards to 2,252 the next. The 1973 Bills went from 3,088 yards to 2,094 the next. The 1978 Chiefs went from 2,986 yards to 2,316 the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ET80 said: Is it normal to be more confused on that meme AFTER reading what you said? Asking for a friend. Myself. Rather than further confuse you, Here: You earned it. Edited May 20, 2020 by DoleINGout 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) The Titans were 100% the better team in the playoff game that night. No question. Will always give them props for that. Acting like the Titans were even close to a better team than the Ravens last year over an entire season’s sample size is outrageous at worst and disingenuous at best. The Ravens were 14-2, were #1 in Offensive PPG and #3 in Defensive PPG. They ran through a gauntlet of some of the best teams in the league last year and came out virtually unscathed. Wins against New England (17 points), @Seattle (14 points), 49ers (close game), Houston (34 points), @Rams (39), @Bills (close game). The only playoff team they played and lost to was @KC. I get the whole divisional pride thing. To be honest I don’t really care about the argument - I want my division to be worse. But to act that because the Titans beat the Ravens that night might mean they were a better team than them last year? No. Sorry. They played a great game. But that’s what happens in the NFL - sometimes the team that’s been better that year doesn’t always win. The Titans (9-7) beating the Ravens (14-2) last year and using that to claim they were a better team is the equivalent to seeing a 6-10 team beating an 11-5 team in the regular season. It happens quite a bit. It’s the NFL. But no one in their right mind tries to use the post-hoc justification that’s been used in this thread when that happens to try and argue that 6-10 team was actually better when you really think about it - because they beat them at their own game, or something. Edited May 20, 2020 by Ray Reed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: Acting like the Titans were even close to a better team than the Ravens last year over an entire season’s sample size is outrageous at worst and disingenuous at best. I don't think anyone is saying that - numbers are black and white, the Ravens were the 1 seed, Titans were the 6th seed. What I'm saying is that Tennessee wins the rubber match when it happens (which'll be this season, actually). Doesn't matter what each teams' respective record is, the Titans match up well against the Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, ET80 said: I don't think anyone is saying that - numbers are black and white, the Ravens were the 1 seed, Titans were the 6th seed. What I'm saying is that Tennessee wins the rubber match when it happens (which'll be this season, actually). Doesn't matter what each teams' respective record is, the Titans match up well against the Ravens. Certainly possible. Baltimore will be coming off a Sunday night game in New England that game, and Tennessee will be coming off a Thursday night home game with a mini-bye going into the game. Maybe you weren’t saying you think Tennessee is/was better, and you were just commenting on how they match up with us...they certainly match up very well with us. But it’s odd to acknowledge the fact that Baltimore was a better team last year, while simultaneously bringing up the playoff game in an argument for which division is better - “The Ravens were a better team last year - but the Titans beat them last year, so, edge: AFC South”. Kind of a having your cake and eating too situation when trying to defend the division IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 First place Titans or Jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 4 hours ago, ET80 said: Is it normal to be more confused on that meme AFTER reading what you said? Asking for a friend. Myself. I get the meme, but he explained it TERRIBLY. It's a play on the Expectation vs. Reality contrast. You expect, or want, or plan something GOOD, but it unfortunately turns out bad. It's...not a great example of the meme, and poorly laid out in the tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 So, according to ET, the Jaguars are the Bart Harley Jarvis of this competition? Interesting... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Ray Reed said: The Titans were 100% the better team in the playoff game that night. No question. Will always give them props for that. Acting like the Titans were even close to a better team than the Ravens last year over an entire season’s sample size is outrageous at worst and disingenuous at best. The Ravens were 14-2, were #1 in Offensive PPG and #3 in Defensive PPG. They ran through a gauntlet of some of the best teams in the league last year and came out virtually unscathed. Wins against New England (17 points), @Seattle (14 points), 49ers (close game), Houston (34 points), @Rams (39), @Bills (close game). The only playoff team they played and lost to was @KC. I get the whole divisional pride thing. To be honest I don’t really care about the argument - I want my division to be worse. But to act that because the Titans beat the Ravens that night might mean they were a better team than them last year? No. Sorry. They played a great game. But that’s what happens in the NFL - sometimes the team that’s been better that year doesn’t always win. The Titans (9-7) beating the Ravens (14-2) last year and using that to claim they were a better team is the equivalent to seeing a 6-10 team beating an 11-5 team in the regular season. It happens quite a bit. It’s the NFL. But no one in their right mind tries to use the post-hoc justification that’s been used in this thread when that happens to try and argue that 6-10 team was actually better when you really think about it - because they beat them at their own game, or something. 9-7 didn’t indicate the type of team we were once Tannehill took over. We were 7-3 with him, extrapolate that to a 16 game sample size and we resemembled more of a 12-4 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 6 hours ago, ET80 said: Is it normal to be more confused on that meme AFTER reading what you said? Asking for a friend. Myself. is this where i say "ok, boomer?" i think it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 15 hours ago, Ray Reed said: The Titans were 100% the better team in the playoff game that night. No question. Will always give them props for that. Acting like the Titans were even close to a better team than the Ravens last year over an entire season’s sample size is outrageous at worst and disingenuous at best. The Ravens were 14-2, were #1 in Offensive PPG and #3 in Defensive PPG. They ran through a gauntlet of some of the best teams in the league last year and came out virtually unscathed. Wins against New England (17 points), @Seattle (14 points), 49ers (close game), Houston (34 points), @Rams (39), @Bills (close game). The only playoff team they played and lost to was @KC. Tennessee beat KC in the regular season, so... 12 hours ago, dtait93 said: 9-7 didn’t indicate the type of team we were once Tannehill took over. We were 7-3 with him, extrapolate that to a 16 game sample size and we resemembled more of a 12-4 team. This. The Titans were a much better team than their record last season, especially near the end, when Simmons came off the bench and the guys replacing our major injuries were coming into their own. I admit over the whole season that Baltimore was better. I would dispute that they were a better team at the season's end. I don't know how much more the Titans needed to prove after they won 7 of 10 games, including KC, then went to New England and beat the Pats before coming to Baltimore and stomping the Ravens. They even lost to KC by less than the 49ers did IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity_Cometh Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 I have no idea. Titans shocked the world (and good for them, great job!) Deshaun Watson is an MVP candidate. Colts are well coached and constructed and if Rivers can find his form behind that oline, he'll be a sniper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Texans duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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