JAF-N72EX Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 This could be looked at in any way you perceive it to be. It could be used as a "what if all things go terribly wrong and everyone gets fired" scenario and we need replacements, or just used in general for certain coaches that you may feel would be a upgrade over our current staff. I said this in news, the first name I'm going to throw out there is Dave Toub. One of the best coordinators in the game and the absolute best ST coordinator in football over the last 15 years. With the new rules put in place that stops teams from preventing interviews with assistant coaches and coordinators, Pace should look into bringing him back where he can work with his son and Nagy again. I hated to see him go and he would be welcomed back with open arms. We have discussed the flaws on the offense and defense side of the ball but outside of our kickers, special teams is an area that doesn't get the attention that it should get. For example, the Kickoff/coverage unit that was the worst in the league last season in opposing offensive starting position following a kickoff (27.2 yards) and field position means everything in football. While they have been MUCH better since Pace took over, they are still coming off the worst franchise year since 2009 and 2010, when new NFL rules were implemented, and this is one of those areas, among others, that Toub could help a lot with considering KC's same coverage units in the last 3 years have ranked 9th, 4th, and 5th in the league, respectively, allowing just 24.3 yards, 24.6 yards, and 24.2 yards. The Bears kicker/coverage unit ranked 10th (24.5) in 2017, 9th (25.0) in 2018, and 32nd (27.2) in 2019. Here is a breakdown of where the Bears have ranked in each year since 2009. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just want to add that KC's special teams have been in the top 5 in DVOA in 6 of the 7 years he's been there. The other year they were 9th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: Just want to add that KC's special teams have been in the top 5 in DVOA in 6 of the 7 years he's been there. The other year they were 9th. Toub is the best. Hands downs. I HATED watching him go. He was interviewed today and listening to him talk will give you a good idea of what he looks for in players Edited May 20, 2020 by JustAnotherFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 GM - Peyton Manning - I'm not joking, I would love to see him patrolling the sidelines FOR the Bears rather than against them like he always was. He has talked with Indy about their GM job previously I believe and apparently had the inside track to the Jets one but turned it down. Getting him to help with a QB's development would be incredible too. Joe Horits (BAL director of player personnel) - Clearly BAL is attracting a ton of talent, and is a really solid roster. Also Joe has seen how they built a team around their QB to allow him to succeed. Just hard to find a fault with him. Nick Caserio (NE director of player personnel) - He has routinely found talent to add around Brady, and seems to be the next in line for the Pats GM job. Much like how McDaniels can be abrasive, I think Bill can too. He is free of his contract this upcoming offseason too, so he has all the ability to go anywhere. I think he goes to HOU though, takes a load off BOB and gives him another set of eyes. Adam Peters (SF VP of player personnel) - 49ers have put together a hell of a coaching staff and built a roster that can clearly challenge for a Super Bowl this year. He saw the Bronco team with Manning there too, so he has been around winners more than just once. HC - - Lincoln Riley (OK HC)- He has been able to get QBs to play at a high level and has two number one overall picks to his name. Also highly values the run game and having his OL coached up. - Joe Brady (CAR OC) - I want to see how he gets Bridgewater playing. He had Burrow put up the best passing season of all time, now he is dealing with a moderately talented QB with an average-at-best arm. IF he can get things humming in CAR then I'd love to grab him and trade the farm for his guy. He spent time with Payton and Brees, and clearly was taking notes from them. - PJ Fleck (Min HC) - Rhule was a hot commodity because of how he turned programs around, Fleck is 2021's Rhule. Took Western Mich from 1-11 to 13-1 just a few years later then Minnesota went from 5-7 to 11-2 with him. - McDaniels (NE OC) - His offensive mind and ability to develop QBs is really highly regarded, (especially considering the poor cast that was top 10 in scoring in 2019) but damn he has an abrasive personality. His DEN tenure sucked but The Hoodie wasn't spectacular in his Browns days either. If he would get the job he would HAVE to have a strong GM in place. The IND ordeal is concerning too, which is why he's low on my list. - Byron Leftwich (TB OC)- They guy had talent but took a guy like Winston and put up a TON of yards and points. Now he has Brady and an even more stacked cast, I'm looking forward to seeing if he can adapt to how DCs alter their gameplans and how well he schemes. Could easily jump to the top of the list. - Bieniemy (KC OC) - Won't happen. Not going to fire a guy to hire his replacement, when he was the first's guys original replacement. I think he is doing a great job of utilizing the most talented offense if the year in 2019. Not sure how he could do with a weak roster yet. - Urban Meyer - No chance, but the guy just wins. Wonder how long before "health" concerns arise too. Would actually make an interesting GM candidate too. A college coach at his level literally was the face of the program and was essentially the GM for the program. He scouted opposing coaches as if he was scouting players, and built great coaching staffs year in and year out. OCs- Tony Elliott (Clemson OC) - This is mostly just fulfilling my fantasy of getting Lawrence by trading to 1st overall. Get Brady or someone as HC and then put they guy who knows Lawrence better than anyone as the OC here. That's my Wayne's World Mega Happy Ending, so leave it the **** alone! Mike McDaniel (SF run-game coordinator) or Jon Benton (SF OL coach) - SF's OL has been heavily invested in, yes. But they clearly have been coached up well and schemed wonderfully. If our HC is going to be the playcaller then I'm more than happy to have the OC be a top-level OL coach that protects the young QB and develops a run game. Flip - I'm a big fan of Flip, have been since he made a dreadful Browns offense have a respectable passing attack. I want him with the young QB, so I would promote him to passing game coordinator or something to try and remove some of the luster from other OC jobs. DCs- (assuming Pagano either gets a HC gig or retires, I don't see him being fired in any way) Jerod Mayo (NE LB coach) - Guy has Bill's defense mastered and was the fastest hire to a position coach that Bill has ever had IIRC. Always been a people person, a leader, and a guy who commanded respect of his teammates like Mack did even without having to be a loudmouth. He may be the 2nd Vrabel. So my dream staff ATM- GM: Adam Peters HC: Joe Brady OC: Tony Elliott Passing game Coord: DeFilpippo DC: Jerod Mayo Make the STL/TEN trade for the number one overall pick. You have a defense that can last as a top 5 unit for years, you get a franchise QB on a rookie deal, a coaching staff built to have the QB succeed, and a GM that has been around a program that keeps stockpiling talent, especially to help their young QB succeed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) HC's College: David Shaw, Ryan Day, Lincoln Riley Pro: Joe Brady, Matt Eberflus, Rob Saleh, Anthony Weaver, Josh McDaniels GM's Peyton Manning (I joked about him last year + Saleh as the combo), Nick Caserio, Adam Peters, Trent Kirchner Edited May 20, 2020 by beardown3231 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Other than the wisdom of rehiring Dave Toub as ST Coordinator I'm not even gonna think about the rest 'til we see what improvements the current staff can bring about. And let's not overlook the fact that Chris Tabor was the Bears Asst. ST Coach under Dave Toub about 10-12 years ago. So do we have a coaching issue or a talent issue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: Peyton Manning - I'm not joking, I would love to see him patrolling the sidelines FOR the Bears rather than against them like he always was. He has talked with Indy about their GM job previously I believe and apparently had the inside track to the Jets one but turned it down. Getting him to help with a QB's development would be incredible too. I have no idea why Peyton seems determined to be a GM, rather than a HC, where I think his knack for all aspects of the game could truly shine. However, he's Peyton, he'd likely be a spectacular GM, as well.... On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: Joe Horits (BAL director of player personnel) - Clearly BAL is attracting a ton of talent, and is a really solid roster. Unsure how much of the credit you give Horits for all that. It's a damn solid organization, though. On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: Nick Caserio (NE director of player personnel) - He has routinely found talent to add around Brady, and seems to be the next in line for the Pats GM job. I'd be wary of anyone from that position in that organization. On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: - Lincoln Riley (OK HC)- He has been able to get QBs to play at a high level and has two number one overall picks to his name. Also highly values the run game and having his OL coached up. Riley all the way. On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: - PJ Fleck (Min HC) - Rhule was a hot commodity because of how he turned programs around, Fleck is 2021's Rhule. Took Western Mich from 1-11 to 13-1 just a few years later then Minnesota went from 5-7 to 11-2 with him. This guy OBVIOUSLY has what it takes. Ready to make the jump to the pros? That'd have to be seriously vetted... On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: - Byron Leftwich (TB OC)- They guy had talent but took a guy like Winston and put up a TON of yards and points. Now he has Brady and an even more stacked cast, I'm looking forward to seeing if he can adapt to how DCs alter their gameplans and how well he schemes. Could easily jump to the top of the list. Love Leftwich as a person, but it would be a leap to hire him as HC next year. Too much of Arians means too many questions... On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: - Bieniemy (KC OC) - Won't happen. Not going to fire a guy to hire his replacement, when he was the first's guys original replacement. I think he is doing a great job of utilizing the most talented offense if the year in 2019. Not sure how he could do with a weak roster yet. If available, most likely a no-brainer. On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: - McDaniels (NE OC) - His offensive mind and ability to develop QBs is really highly regarded, (especially considering the poor cast that was top 10 in scoring in 2019) but damn he has an abrasive personality. His DEN tenure sucked but The Hoodie wasn't spectacular in his Browns days either. If he would get the job he would HAVE to have a strong GM in place. The IND ordeal is concerning too, which is why he's low on my list. Proven to be a first class head case. Not what you want in a head coach. Good lord, no. Just... NO. On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: - Urban Meyer - No chance, but the guy just wins. Wonder how long before "health" concerns arise too. Would actually make an interesting GM candidate too. A college coach at his level literally was the face of the program and was essentially the GM for the program. He scouted opposing coaches as if he was scouting players, and built great coaching staffs year in and year out. A first class scumbag. I don't care how versed he is with schemes or personnel, the guy is a lower form of life. Astounded he actually got a broadcasting job. Want him nowhere near the Bears organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Heinz D. said: I have no idea why Peyton seems determined to be a GM, rather than a HC, where I think his knack for all aspects of the game could truly shine. However, he's Peyton, he'd likely be a spectacular GM, as well.... Unsure how much of the credit you give Horits for all that. It's a damn solid organization, though. I'd be wary of anyone from that position in that organization. Riley all the way. This guy OBVIOUSLY has what it takes. Ready to make the jump to the pros? That'd have to be seriously vetted... Love Leftwich as a person, but it would be a leap to hire him as HC next year. Too much of Arians means too many questions... If available, most likely a no-brainer. Proven to be a first class head case. Not what you want in a head coach. Good lord, no. Just... NO. A first class scumbag. I don't care how versed he is with schemes or personnel, the guy is a lower form of life. Astounded he actually got a broadcasting job. Want him nowhere near the Bears organization. Not sure Bienemy is a no brainer. He was available this offseason and no one hired him. His questionable past combined with the "prior" HC coming from that system (Nagy, in this scenario) makes it the complete opposite of a no brainer, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, beardown3231 said: Not sure Bienemy is a no brainer. He was available this offseason and no one hired him. His questionable past combined with the "prior" HC coming from that system (Nagy, in this scenario) makes it the complete opposite of a no brainer, imo. See what you're saying. I wasn't saying I'd take him over Riley or Fleck, for sure. Although it sounded that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Heinz D. said: See what you're saying. I wasn't saying I'd take him over Riley or Fleck, for sure. Although it sounded that way. I see the lure, but considering everything, I'd rather have 4-5 guys over him, namely Riley, Eberflus, Saleh and Shaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 21 hours ago, beardown3231 said: I see the lure, but considering everything, I'd rather have 4-5 guys over him, namely Riley, Eberflus, Saleh and Shaw Yeah...the media souring on Shaw (as he isn't openly flirting with them anymore) kind of made me forget about him. Shaw would be a sterling candidate. He's sort of a perfect Bear kind of guy, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: Yeah...the media souring on Shaw (as he isn't openly flirting with them anymore) kind of made me forget about him. Shaw would be a sterling candidate. He's sort of a perfect Bear kind of guy, too. I've always had a man crush on Shaw. Like you said everyone has soured on him because Stanford hasn't been as relevant lately, but when Harbaugh left he kept that program afloat. Considering all of the other programs around the country specifically out west, he's done a wonderful job imo. He loves to run the ball and get the TE involved. However he seems to be content in Palo Alto. He has made that clear. Could be nothing, could be the truth. Money talks in the end, but he probably has job security for life, can make millions a year and live in NoCal. Good gig if you can get it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Romen Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Chris Tabor sucks. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 On 5/20/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sugashane said: On 6/5/2020 at 4:53 PM, Heinz D. said: I have no idea why Peyton seems determined to be a GM, rather than a HC, where I think his knack for all aspects of the game could truly shine. However, he's Peyton, he'd likely be a spectacular GM, as well.... - Coaching is a 90/hr a week job and many of those hours are highly stressful. GMing is also long hours, but many of hours aren't that stressful and you can fit other personal stuff in pretty easily - you are shopping, but not cooking. Cooking is way harder than shopping. Manning doesn't want to HC and I don't blame him. He wants to live his life. Being a GM allows you to do that. Being an NFL coach does not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, dll2000 said: Coaching is a 90/hr a week job and many of those hours are highly stressful. Both jobs are a big undertaking, but you might well be correct in your overall appraisal of things--I honestly don't know. I really have to wonder if Peyton will reconsider his stance, though. (Or if it's even been properly conveyed in the first place.) I can totally see Peyton with clipboard and notes in hand, roaming some sideline or another. Edited June 9, 2020 by Heinz D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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