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KC_Guy has done a lot of solid work on roster analysis. i refer you to his threads on various units, such as LB or OL, both of which were points of concern prior to the draft. This thread is for published projections. Let's be honest, most writers are not willing to dig as much as we will. Still, here goes.

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/22/kansas-city-chiefs-updated-2020-depth-chart-projections-90-man-offseason-roster-nfl-draft-picks-udfas/

Offense (45)

Pos. First Second Third Fourth
QB Patrick Mahomes Chad Henne Jordan Ta’amu Shea Patterson
RB Damien Williams Clyde Edwards-Helaire Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson, DeAndre Washington Eljiah McGuire
FB Anthony Sherman John Lovett    
WR Tyreek Hill Demarcus Robinson, Byron Pringle Kalija Lipscomb, Maurice Ffrench Aleva Hifo, Andre Bacellia
WR Sammy Watkins Mecole Hardman, Gehrig Dieter Jody Fortson, Justice Shelton-Mosley Felton Davis, Cody White
TE Travis Kelce Deon Yelder Ricky Seals-Jones Nick Keizer
LT Eric Fisher Greg Senat Yasir Durant  
LG Andrew Wylie Martinas Rankin Jovahn Fair  
C Austin Reiter Nick Allegretti Darryl Williams  
RG Laurent Duvernay-Tardif Lucas Niang Ryan Hunter  
RT Mitchell Schwartz Mike Remmers Jackson Barton  

Defense (41)

Pos. First Second Third
LDE Alex Okafor Taco Charlton Demone Harris, Tershawn Wharton
LDT Chris Jones Mike Pennel Khalen Saunders, Braxton Hoyett
RDT Derrick Nnadi Breeland Speaks Devaroe Lawrence
RDE Frank Clark Tanoh Kpassagnon Mike Danna, Tim Ward
LB Anthony Hitchens Willie Gay Jr. Ben Niemann, Darius Harris
LB Damien Wilson Dorian O’Daniel Emmanuel Smith, Bryan Wright, Omari Cobb
LCB Charvarius Ward Antonio Hamilton BoPete Keyes, Jalen Julius
RCB Bashaud Breeland L’Jarius Sneed Chris Lammons, Hakeem Bailey
SCB Rashad Fenton Alex Brown Lavert Hill, Javaris Davis
FS Juan Thornhill Daniel Sorensen Rodney Clemons
SS Tyrann Mathieu Armani Watts  

Special teams (4)

Pos. First Second
P Tommy Townsend Tyler Newsome
K Harrison Butker  
KO Harrison Butker  
LS James Winchester  
H Tommy Townsend Tyler Newsome
PR Tyreek Hill Mecole Hardman
KR Mecole Hardman Tyreek Hill

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Some quick points.

  • I will be shocked if Hill is the #1 PR, maybe not #2. Kalija Lipscomb, for example, has experience returning punts. Likewise, Kickoff returns is an are where a rookie can make an impact. 
  • Breeland Speaks is listed as DT, which seems to be a consensus among writers. Looking at the stack of DE, it may be the only way he makes the team. In Spagnuolo's defense, DE will often move inside. In his case, 3-tech may be seen as his base position, with the option to slide outside.
  • People are going to want to know where Mike Danna goes. He's a pass rusher. Everything else is a bonus.
  • TE2--Deon Yelder, Ricky Seals-Jones, Nick Keizer. o.O
  • Suddenly we are knee deep in CB. I wonder if any slide over to safety. I would not feel comfortable in Armani Watts position.
  • I think the OL looks good until someone gets injured. Then it matters which player.
  • I think some young veterans will be in for a struggle. There is a ton of speed and athleticism in the draft and UDFA class. Even our offseason FA signings are not going to sit easy.

J

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Anyone want to try their hand on a "Too Early 53 man"?

QB(2) -  Mahomes / Henne

RB(5) - Dam. Williams / CEH / Thompson / Washington / Sherman

WR(3) - Hill / Hardman / Pringle

WR (3) - Watkins / Robinson / Fortson

TE(3) - Kelce / Seals-Jones / Yelder

OL(9) -  Fisher / Wylie / Reiter / LDT / Schwartz / Niang / Remmers / Rankins / Allegretti  

Last 3 In:   Fortson , Yelder, Washington

Offense(25) -   Tough Cuts Dar. Williams, Darryl Williams, Yasir Durant  (Going to be a ton of competition with Wylie and Reserve OL)

 

DE(5) - Clark / Okafor / Kpassagnon / Danna / Charlton 

DT(4) - Jones / Nnadi / Pennel / Saunders

LB (3) - Hitchens / Gay / Niemann

LB (3) - Wilson / O'Daniel / Harris

CB(2)-  Ward / Keyes

CB(2)- Fenton / Sneed, 

CB(2)-  Brown / Hamilton

S (2)- Thornhill / Sorensen

S(2) - Mathieu / Watts

Last 3 in:  Charlton , Harris, Brown

Defense(25):    DE has a ton of comp for the 4/5 spots,  tough cut there. CB is anybodies guess with Breeland likely missing some games,  but a ton of comp.. had to cut a couple that have decent potential.   

ST(3)

K: Butker

P: Townsend

LS: Winchester

 

Suspended List(2):   The Breeland brothers

 

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My guess at the 53.

QB(2) -  Mahomes / Henne

RB(4) - Dam. Williams / CEH / Thompson / Sherman

WR(3) - Hill / Hardman / Pringle

WR (3) - Watkins / Robinson / Fortson

TE(3) - Kelce / Seals-Jones / Yelder

OL(9) -  Fisher / Rankins/ Reiter / LDT / Schwartz / Niang / Remmers / Wylie / Williams

Offense(24) - Only reason Thompson makes it is because he was drafted last year. I could see Washington beating him out. I could see Yelder being dropped for a 10th OL. Fortson or Sherman could potentially play the 3rd TE role.

 

DE(6) - Clark / Okafor / Kpassagnon / Danna / Charlton / Harris

DT(4) - Jones / Nnadi / Pennel / Saunders

LB (3) - Hitchens / Gay / Niemann

LB (3) - Wilson / O'Daniel / Harris

CB(2)-  Ward / Keyes

CB(2)- Fenton / Sneed

CB(2)-  Hamilton / Hill

S (2)- Thornhill / Sorensen

S(2) - Mathieu / Watts

Defense(26) - Six DE is a lot. But I could see them rotating in at DE and DT depending on the package, so I won't get too caught up in assigned positions. I still don't see what they saw in Danna unless he maybe plays LB. But he makes the team as a draft pick. I think Lavert Hill could be a nice surprise.

 

ST(3)

K: Butker

P: Townsend

LS: Winchester

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D. Washington - D. Harris

N. Allegretti - D. Williams

A. Brown - L. Hill

 

The only 3 differences I see and definitely can see those happening.

 

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20 minutes ago, samsel23 said:

D. Washington - D. Harris

N. Allegretti - D. Williams

A. Brown - L. Hill

 

The only 3 differences I see and definitely can see those happening.

 

Yeah that was really it. I'm sure there will be a surprise cut or two. More than likely, I think we trade one or two OL away for LB depth. If we keep Fortson, I would pencil him in as WR6/TE3 so we can keep a developmental guy we like at another position.

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Posted (edited)

I agree with Darryl Williams nudging out Allegretti. Lucas Naing will not get cut, but I would also not put him on the 53. Redshirt him, ie IL for however long the minimum runs. That makes a slot available. Among the many CB, don't sleep on Javaris Davis. 

Some other players on the bubble--Watts, Saunders, both Harris, Hamilton. Do'D is solely a ST ace. I don't think he's on the bubble so much as the roster is stacked and he may get squeezed out. 

One other thing. Consider leaving out Bashaud Breeland, because of the suspension. 

J

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On 6/9/2020 at 2:35 PM, onejayhawk said:

I agree with Darryl Williams nudging out Allegretti. Lucas Naing will not get cut, but I would also not put him on the 53. Redshirt him, ie IL for however long the minimum runs. That makes a slot available. Among the many CB, don't sleep on Javaris Davis. 

Some other players on the bubble--Watts, Saunders, both Harris, Hamilton. Do'D is solely a ST ace. I don't think he's on the bubble so much as the roster is stacked and he may get squeezed out. 

One other thing. Consider leaving out Bashaud Breeland, because of the suspension. 

J

You're not taking Khalen, are you? No way he's even remotely at risk. DTs are almost always slow developers, unless you're Aaron Donald. Chris Jones didn't do jack his rookie year. Saunders will 100% be given time to develop.

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

You're not taking Khalen, are you? No way he's even remotely at risk. DTs are almost always slow developers, unless you're Aaron Donald. Chris Jones didn't do jack his rookie year. Saunders will 100% be given time to develop.

Yes, him. There is a serious numbers crunch on the DL and it is not all at DE.

I am not saying KS is bound for the street, but I am saying he has things to prove if he wants to make the roster. Some others--Breeland Speaks comes to mind--have more to prove. That said, Speaks is above Saunders on the depth chart above.

J

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On 9.6.2020 at 9:35 PM, onejayhawk said:

I agree with Darryl Williams nudging out Allegretti. Lucas Naing will not get cut, but I would also not put him on the 53. Redshirt him, ie IL for however long the minimum runs. That makes a slot available. Among the many CB, don't sleep on Javaris Davis. 

Some other players on the bubble--Watts, Saunders, both Harris, Hamilton. Do'D is solely a ST ace. I don't think he's on the bubble so much as the roster is stacked and he may get squeezed out. 

One other thing. Consider leaving out Bashaud Breeland, because of the suspension. 

J

If you want to place Naing on IR you've got to waive him first with an injured designation. I'd bet he'll be gone not matter what injury the team tags to him. He's as safe on the roster as it can get.

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16 hours ago, KC_Guy said:

If you want to place Naing on IR you've got to waive him first with an injured designation. I'd bet he'll be gone not matter what injury the team tags to him. He's as safe on the roster as it can get.

Is that the new rule? If so, quote it or link to it. 

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1 hour ago, onejayhawk said:

Is that the new rule? If so, quote it or link to it. 

Pretty sure it's an old rule. It's the preseason and the final cut to 53 hasn't been made yet. Also, he would be eligible for the reserve/NFI list since his injury occurred in college. If he made the initial 53 man roster, we would not have to waive him first.

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I forgot about the NFI path. Regardless, it's a quibble. We had Henne on the 53 only hours, so that is possible if need be.

However it's done, the effect is a redshirt and we would not have to waive him.

J

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5 hours ago, onejayhawk said:

I forgot about the NFI path. Regardless, it's a quibble. We had Henne on the 53 only hours, so that is possible if need be.

However it's done, the effect is a redshirt and we would not have to waive him.

J

Henne is a  vested vet, thus doesn't need to clear waivers. 

If you want to place a non-vested player on any kind of injury related reserve you must waive him first with an injury designation.

This rule was implemented I think with the 2006 CBA in order to avoid exactly the redshirting you suggest.

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