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Colin Kaepernick on the Patriots: Is he a better option than Jarrett Stidham?


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2 minutes ago, $andtrap said:

And Blaine Gabbert doesn't get the same pass???

Gabbert had a passer rating like 25 points lower than Kaep in 2016. Plus, Gabbert was never good. Kaep was good once, so it makes sense to attribute some falloff to the team crumbling around him. Gabbert was never good, so there's no reason to think him sucking in San Fran was because the talent wasn't there, it's more likely Gabbert was just continuing his already dismal career trajectory.

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To the thread topic, the only honest answer anyone can give is that we have no freaking clue. If you could guarantee we'd get the Kaep from 3 years ago, yeah, that's probably better than Stidham. But even then, we don't really know anything about Stidham, so he could be new levels of trash, or a hugely promising player. No idea. We know what's most likely, but don't actually know what he'll turn out to be. And then, you can't guarantee that we'd get the Kaep from 3 years ago, so it gets even tougher as who knows if he's stayed in football shape. Who knows if he even wants to come back, at this point.

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If he was on the Patriots right now, and there wasn't a pandemic keeping him from working with the team to learn the system, then yes I'd say he'd be a better option. He was an above average QB when he last played, but he's so far removed right now that it's going to take a decent amount of time for him to be ready.

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1 minute ago, dhunt2402 said:

Could happen. But I think they would prefer Cam Newton if they go in a non-Hoyer/Stidham direction.

Call me crazy, but if you gave them both a year to get right and learn whatever system. I'm probably taking Kaepernick at this point.

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1 hour ago, $andtrap said:

Nah, he sucked even then.

Statistically he looked fine, but that was due to being in garbage time a lot.

He had his time in the sun and burnt his bridges.

Being in garbage time a lot? I mean that would be true had his stats been better in the 2nd half of games.......Which did not happen. 

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37 minutes ago, $andtrap said:

And Blaine Gabbert doesn't get the same pass???

I mean Gabbert literally had a QB rating under 70 that year and is STILL in the league. Did Gabbert also play with a crappy supporting cast? Sure, but his numbers weren't close to Kaepernick's and he is still having no trouble getting signed by teams. So yeah, not really sure what you were trying to imply with your post? 

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7 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

I mean Gabbert literally had a QB rating under 70 that year and is STILL in the league. Did Gabbert also play with a crappy supporting cast? Sure, but his numbers weren't close to Kaepernick's and he is still having no trouble getting signed by teams. So yeah, not really sure what you were trying to imply with your post? 

Gabbert keeps his mouth shut and Kaep doesn't? Gabbert's no good, but way less drama attached to him.

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1 hour ago, Forge said:

He was fine. The roster was pretty brutal and possibly the worst in the NFL that year on offense. There's only so much he can do with that.

He's not a good quarterback, passing..you're banking on his running game compensating for his inadequacies as a passer. When you combine bottom third passing with that kind of running maybe you get a guy who is middle of the road / slightly below middle road in actual effectiveness. 

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I don't know if you subscribe to EPA and CPOE analytics, but his career clearly went in the wrong direction.

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7 minutes ago, Gmen said:

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I don't know if you subscribe to EPA and CPOE analytics, but his career clearly went in the wrong direction.

So did the team, that was my point. Context matters. Quarterbacks...particularly ones like Kaep, who aren't very good but can succeed with teh right team around them, are a byproduct of their rosters. Most quarterbacks are their situation. 

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It’s been so long. Who knows? But I kind of see him in that Josh Allen category. Great arm. Can hurt you with his legs. Not very efficient.

Not a fair comparison to Allen since he can still improve and Kap plateaued. But that’s my ball park comparison. But we really don’t know what he is today. So who the hell knows who’s better between Stidham  and Kap. At this point, he’s likely a good backup is my guess.

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7 minutes ago, $andtrap said:

Gabbert keeps his mouth shut and Kaep doesn't? Gabbert's no good, but way less drama attached to him.

So you were saying ALL that to just say....this? Could have saved your time then because bringing up Gabbert and what he had to play with didn't make much sense when Kaepernick played with the same supporting cast (Actually worse by season's end) and performed much better. And the guy who was much inferior still has a job four years later.

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He's probably better than a lot of the backups in the NFL, but I don't know about starting. Like many have said, he hasn't played in awhile. 

 

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
Career       69 58 28-30-0 1011 1692 59.8 12271 72 4.3 30 1.8 574 80 7.3 7.3 12.1 177.8 88.9   171 1060 6.02 6.07 9.2 7 7 49
2011 24 SFO QB 7 3 0   3 5 60.0 35 0 0.0 0 0.0 2 19 7.0 7.0 11.7 11.7 81.2 74.4 0 0 7.00 7.00 0.0     0
2012 25 SFO QB/qb 7 13 7 5-2-0 136 218 62.4 1814 10 4.6 3 1.4 86 57 8.3 8.6 13.3 139.5 98.3 71.8 16 112 7.27 7.55 6.8 1 1 9
2013 26 SFO QB 7 16 16 12-4-0 243 416 58.4 3197 21 5.0 8 1.9 148 64 7.7 7.8 13.2 199.8 91.6 65.7 39 231 6.52 6.65 8.6 2 3 15
2014 27 SFO QB 7 16 16 8-8-0 289 478 60.5 3369 19 4.0 10 2.1 164 80 7.0 6.9 11.7 210.6 86.4 60.9 52 344 5.71 5.58 9.8 3 2 12
2015 28 SFO QB 7 9 8 2-6-0 144 244 59.0 1615 6 2.5 5 2.0 73 76 6.6 6.2 11.2 179.4 78.5 43.4 28 166 5.33 4.94 10.3     4
2016 29 SFO QB 7 12 11 1-10-0 196 331 59.2 2241 16 4.8 4 1.2 101 65 6.8 7.2 11.4 186.8 90.7 49.5 36 207 5.54 5.92 9.8 1 1 9
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