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13 hours ago, ET80 said:

Hypothetical - what does Dalvin Cook get in a trade, knowing there's a contract that needs to be figured out?

I have a hard time believing he'd even get a return on his original draft round - that has nothing to do with him as a player, it's just the position is no longer what it used to be.

Dalvin is much better then Melvin Gordon but Chargers struggled to find a trade partner even a late round for him last off season knowing he wanted to get paid. Now a days Rbs are a dime a dozen, you may not get the home run type RB but you can certainly find a capable one to be able to move the ball if need be. There have been many RBs who can contribute enough to get the job done and never get paid. You can land one in the mid to late rd run him in to the ground his rookie contract and start all over again with someone new. Unless the RB is drafted in the top 10 I do not see a team needing to extend one at such a high price when there will be 20 available in next years draft. Its just not feasible to not only trade for him but also pay him 10+ mil a year. Look at all the top paid RBs last year and tell me how their team faired. Ones that were not on rookie contracts last year but had highest RB contracts: Dallas, NYJ, LAR, AZ none of those teams made the playoffs. Then you got Baltimore with RB by committee, KC RB by committee, Pats RB by committee. So RBBC seems to be more beneficial as a team standpoint then it is to pay someone that much money. Gurley got paid had an injury cut and on a new team, Mckinnon got paid ended up gettin hurt never saw the field and niners cut him and gave him him a 1 year deal worth 1.16 mil. David Johnson signed contract went down with injury traded to texans. So it just seems like high paid RBs do not last anymore and majority of teams see that the position is no longer a top priority

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47 minutes ago, JTagg7754 said:

Smart move.

not really.
The new CBA tightened up rules on holdouts, his leverage is quite limited

If Cook doesn’t show up for camp, a revised set of rules will apply, given the terms of the new labor deal. For starters, the daily fine has spiked from $40,000 to $50,000. More importantly, the new labor deal moves the deadline for losing a year of credit toward free agency from 30 days before the start of the regular season to the opening of camp.

As to Cook, this means that his shot at unrestricted free agency (or the franchise tag) in 2021 will be delayed by a year, if he fails to report for the start of training camp. The Vikings would instead be able to retain his rights for 2021 with a restricted free agency tender.

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7 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

not really.
The new CBA tightened up rules on holdouts, his leverage is quite limited

If Cook doesn’t show up for camp, a revised set of rules will apply, given the terms of the new labor deal. For starters, the daily fine has spiked from $40,000 to $50,000. More importantly, the new labor deal moves the deadline for losing a year of credit toward free agency from 30 days before the start of the regular season to the opening of camp.

As to Cook, this means that his shot at unrestricted free agency (or the franchise tag) in 2021 will be delayed by a year, if he fails to report for the start of training camp. The Vikings would instead be able to retain his rights for 2021 with a restricted free agency tender.

I gotta get used to this new CBA......

Thanks for pointing this out.

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9 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

not really.
The new CBA tightened up rules on holdouts, his leverage is quite limited

If Cook doesn’t show up for camp, a revised set of rules will apply, given the terms of the new labor deal. For starters, the daily fine has spiked from $40,000 to $50,000. More importantly, the new labor deal moves the deadline for losing a year of credit toward free agency from 30 days before the start of the regular season to the opening of camp.

As to Cook, this means that his shot at unrestricted free agency (or the franchise tag) in 2021 will be delayed by a year, if he fails to report for the start of training camp. The Vikings would instead be able to retain his rights for 2021 with a restricted free agency tender.

The service time is huge, because then he's a RFA again in 2021.   Zeke Elliot had the same risk, but Jerrah blinked.   LAC didn't.   With Mattison in the fold, not hard to think MIN will go the LAC route.

As for the fines, though - one important distinction:

I could easily see MIN rescinding the fines if Cook holds out and returns - but the ironclad service time designation is the real issue here.   Unless Cook is absolutely certain MIN will blink like Jerrah did - then he will be reporting at the start of TC.  

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Couldn't a player report at the start of training camp, then skip the rest and hold out and still have the accrued season? How would they 'force' someone to continue to show, for example?

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2 minutes ago, RuskieTitan said:

Couldn't a player report at the start of training camp, then skip the rest and hold out and still have the accrued season? How would they 'force' someone to continue to show, for example?

That's still $50k a day, that the team can then decide not to waive if Cook holds out and is intent on going somewhere else.

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1 minute ago, THE DUKE said:

That's still $50k a day, that the team can then decide not to waive if Cook holds out and is intent on going somewhere else.

So in other words show up and then suddenly develop back issues ala Ramsey.

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1 minute ago, RuskieTitan said:

So in other words show up and then suddenly develop back issues ala Ramsey.

If he gets cleared by the team's doctor, then he' screwed.

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Posted (edited)

Cook had the lowest ypc on the Vikings among running backs

In his last 4 regular season games last year his longest run was 9 yards.

Counting the playoffs he had 8 games under 71 yards rushing. That's half his games

Counting the playoffs he only had 6 games over 3.8 ypc.

First 8 games: 823 rushing yards on 5.28 ypc

Last 8 games: 424 Yards on 3.24 ypc

So really he wants to be paid elite money for a great 8 game stretch he had in year 3.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Nbanflguy

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NFL fans when a player is on their team within the first few years of their contract : 

"They are so underrated"

"Such an important piece moving forward"

"Team wasn't the same when they were injured"

"Position is top notch with them on roster"

"IDK you could make the argument they are top 5 at their position"

 

NFL fans when said player wants a raise and long term financial stability:

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Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said:

I bet they pay it.

Oh, why do you have to be so negative?!? Haha

Edited by SteelKing728

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As a Vikings fan,  I would take a 3rd + 4th or 2nd round pick. Any takers? 

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Cook isn't getting that much from any quality team in the league, and certainly not Minnesota. Unlike CMC, he plays only one position well and he's not consistent. He'll look great for a little while, then have a bad day or get injured.

If we can't strike a deal with him it's too bad, but I'd be comfortable moving on with Mattison as the starter.

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