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32 minutes ago, Jakuvious said:

An inconsistent QB is a bad QB. That's genuinely one of the last things you want your QB to be.

I’m far from a Baker apologist. But he’s at this point likely an average NFL starting quarterback in his third different system with his fourth different head coach in 36 career games. I’m giving him the rest of 2020 and likely 1/2 of 2021. JMHO

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17 hours ago, MWil23 said:

Baker is 9th in QBR this year...

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QBR PAA PLAYS EPA PASS RUN SACK PEN RAW
85.4 30.3 237 43.5 35.1 4.1 -2.8 1.5 85.9
84.9 37.4 301 58.0 42.4 10.3 -4.6 0.7 85.3
82.6 39.4 334 61.2 45.7 8.8 -5.4 1.3 84.2
82.2 28.3 249 48.8 36.9 6.3 -3.5 2.1 83.3
80.9 26.5 242 39.4 27.6 6.2 -3.4 2.3 82.5
80.8 25.4 252 44.3 34.1 1.6 -4.3 4.4 80.6
80.7 24.1 234 41.1 33.1 1.4 -4.1 2.5 81.1
80.6 30.2 283 53.4 34.7 7.5 -8.8 2.3 81.9
76.6 17.5 235 33.5 26.4 2.4 -4.0 0.7 74.1
76.1 19.8 235 32.4 17.8 10.0 -4.4 0.1 76.8
75.7 20.8 263 36.5 27.0 4.9 -4.2 0.4 75.4
74.4 19.1 221 37.0 26.7 4.2 -5.0 1.1 77.2
73.6 22.8 330 41.9 31.6 2.2 -6.8 1.3 72.7
72.4 19.4 305 38.7 29.2 1.3 -7.7 0.5 71.1
72.4 24.0 340 46.9 23.9 18.9 -2.9 1.2 73.1
71.3 18.9 304 40.0 35.6 -2.0 -3.1 3.3 70.7
71.2 15.4 247 32.7 18.7 4.7 -6.0 3.4 70.8
71.1 16.2 262 35.1 24.2 3.4 -4.8 2.7 70.5
70.9 18.7 296 40.6 26.4 5.5 -5.3 3.4 71.0
70.9 8.8 142 19.2 12.8 1.6 -3.5 1.2 70.7
62.1 8.7 219 26.5 23.1 -0.1 -1.3 2.3 63.7
60.5 5.2 296 29.1 7.6 10.6 -8.2 2.8 56.2
58.3 8.6 245 29.2 26.1 -4.3 -4.0 3.4 62.2
57.2 7.0 378 37.6 20.3 4.9 -12.1 0.3 56.5
53.7 7.2 331 30.1 14.2 3.7 -10.2 2.0 57.6
52.6 0.5 368 30.9 6.3 8.8 -11.9 3.9 50.5
50.8 -2.4 219 14.7 7.7 0.9 -3.5 2.5 46.2
48.2 -0.1 210 15.4 7.3 2.3 -5.6 0.2 49.8
42.7 -2.1 188 13.8 1.0 7.9 -4.8 0.1 46.0
41.1 -5.8 205 10.2 -9.2 8.8 -7.9 2.6 40.1
31.6 -12.1 178 3.3 -4.6 1

 QBR is garbage lol. Football outsiders has him ranked 21st this season after being 25th last season. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2020

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Like seriously what does baker do well? He doesn’t have a great arm, he doesn’t have great pocket presence, he’s not very accurate and he’s a horrible decision maker slightly below Jameis Winston level. And I think Jameis is more talented.
 

He folds like a cheap suit when facing great defenses 

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34 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

 QBR is garbage lol. Football outsiders has him ranked 21st this season after being 25th last season. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2020

Like I said, I think he’s somewhere in that 15-20 range right now.

33 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

Like seriously what does baker do well? He doesn’t have a great arm,

LOL. This shows you don’t watch him. He’s got a great arm. Let’s look at ball velocity numbers: (Hint: He’s top 5)

Name, College, NFL Team – Ball Velocity in MPH
Josh Allen Wyoming 62 

Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, Bills (TE) - 60
Bryan Bennet, SE Louisiana, CFL- 60
Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech, Chiefs- 60
Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, Browns 60

Jacob Eason, Washington- 59
Jake Luton, Oregon State- 59
Steven Montez, Colorado- 59 

Davis Webb, California, Jets- 59
Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State, free agent– 59
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada, free agent- 59
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State, Vikings- 59
Zac Dysert, Miami (OH), free agent- 59
Tyler Bray, Tennessee, Bears- 59
Stephen Morris, Miami, free agent- 59
Paxton Lynch, Memphis, Seahawks- 59

Jared Goff, California, Rams - 58
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas, free agent- 58
Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi, free agent- 58

Kevin Davidson, Princeton- 57 
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State, Eagles- 57
Nick Foles, Arizona, Bears- 57
Mark Sanchez, USC, free agent- 57
Josh Freeman, Kansas State, Free Agent - 57
Chase Daniels, Missouri, Bears- 57
Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois, free agent- 57
Tom Savage, Pittsburgh, free agent- 57
Sean Mannion, Oregon State, Vikings- 57
Brandon Bridge, South Alabama, free agent - 57

DeShon Kizer, Notre Dame, Packers- 56
Andy Dalton, TCU, Bengals - 56
Cam Newton, Auburn, Panthers - 56
Colt McCoy, Texas, Redskins- 56 (recorded in a private workout with a radar gun & computer chip in the football)
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse, free agent– 56
Curtis Painter, Purdue, free agent- 56
Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, free agent - 56
Patrick Devlin, Delaware, free agent- 56
Josh Woodrum, Liberty, free agent- 56
Blake Bortles, Central Florida, Rams- 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois, 49ers- 56
Marcus Mariota, Oregon, Titans - 56
Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State, Colts- 56
Jeff Mathews, Cornell, free agent - 56
Keith Wenning, Ball State, Giants - 56
Joel Stave, Wisconsin, Chiefs - 56
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State, free agent- 56
Anthony Boone, Duke, free agent - 56

Justin Herbert, Oregon- 55 
Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina, Bears- 55
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech, TBD - 55
Trevor Knight, Texan A&M, AAF- 55
Jameis Winston, Florida State, Buccaneers - 55
Joe Flacco, Delaware, Broncos- 55
Geno Smith, West Virginia, Chargers- 55
CJ Beathard, Iowa, 49ers- 55
Trevon Boykin, TCU, Seahawks - 55
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin, Seahawks - 55
Brandon Allen, Arkansas, Jaguars - 55
Cody Kessler, USC, Browns - 55
Cody Fajardo, Nevada, free agent - 55
Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois, free agent - 55
Casey Keenum, Houston, Redskins- 55
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas, free agent - 55
Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin, free agent- 55


James Morgan, Florida International- 54
Jordan Love, Utah State- 54
Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma- 54
Nate Stanley, Iowa - 54

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State, Cowboys - 54
Tajh Boyd, Clemson, free agent - 54
Bryn Renner, North Carolina, free agent - 54
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana, Eagles- 54
Jake Locker, Washington, free agent- 54
EJ Manuel, Florida State, Chiefs- 54
Matthew Scott, Arizona, free agent - 54

Jake Fromm, Georgia- 53 
Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, Raiders- 53
Brad Kaaya, Miami, Bengals- 53

David Fales, San Jose State, free agent- 53
AJ McCarron, Alabama, free agent- 53
Brett Hundley, UCLA, Cardinals- 53
Kevin Hogan, Stanford, free agent- 53
Brandon Doughty, Western Kentucky, free agent- 53
Vernon Adams, Oregon, free agent - 53
Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, TBD - 53
Bryce Petty, Baylor, free agent- 53
Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M, free agent- 53
Landry Jones, Oklahoma, free agent- 53
Chad Henne, Michigan, Chiefs- 53
Stephen McGee, Texas A & M - 53

Anthony Gordon, Washington State- 52 
Shane Carden, Eastern Carolina, free agent, 52
Jeff Driskel, Louisiana Tech, Bengals - 52
Seth Russell, Baylor, TBD - 52
Graham Harrell, Texas Tech, free agent - 52
Pat White, West Virginia, free agent - 52
Kellen Moore, Boise State, coaching- 52
TJ Yates, North Carolina, free agent - 52
Michael Kafka, Northwestern, free agent - 52
Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St., free agent - 52
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State, free agent - 52

Brian Lewerke, Michigan State- 51
Cole McDonald, Hawaii- 51
Shea Patterson, Michigan - 51

Josh Dobbs, Tennessee, Steelers-51
Jerry Lovelocke, Praire View A&M, free agent - 51
Christian Ponder, Florida St, free agent - 51
Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech, free agent - 51

Matt Flynn, LSU, free agent -- 50
John Skelton, Fordham, free agent - 50
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa, free agent - 50
Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech, Chargers- 50
Connor Cook, Michigan, free agent- 50
Connor Shaw, South Carolina, free agent- 50
Nick Marshall, Auburn, free agent- 50

Deshaun Watson, Clemson, Texans- 49
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State, Raiders- 49
Josh Johnson, San Diego, Redskins- 49
Kelly Bryant, Missouri- 47 
Sefo Liufau, Colorado, TBD - 46
Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, Cowboys- 46
Blake Sims, Alabama, free agent - 42 
 

 

33 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

he doesn’t have great pocket presence,

Agreed 100%.

33 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

he’s not very accurate

He’s not? He’s completed 61.7% of his passes in his career.

33 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

and he’s a horrible decision maker slightly below Jameis Winston level.
 

He’s a bad decision maker. To say he’s below Jameis is a joke though.

33 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

And I think Jameis is more talented.

Jameis is talented from a physical tool standpoint. He’s also mentally inept.

33 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

He folds like a cheap suit when facing great defenses 

Agreed.

We will see what he does down the stretch this year and the first half of 2021. If he cleans up his pocket presence/footwork and can recognize pressure, he will be good. If not, the Browns will be drafting a new quarterback in 2022.

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12 hours ago, MWil23 said:

He’s not? He’s completed 61.7% of his passes in his career.

61.7% is a terrible completion percentage. Would be 29th this year. That's just below Daniel Jones for career completion percentage.

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14 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

 QBR is garbage lol. Football outsiders has him ranked 21st this season after being 25th last season. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2020

Football Outsider also states that Baker has faced 4 top8 DVOA passing defenses. (Wash/Balt/Pitt/Indy) No other NFL QB has faced more than 3.

BigBen is ranked 20th. Lamer Jackson is ranked 23rd. 

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Baker had a bad 2nd season. This is obvious. He is about a 63.5% passer in years 1 and 3 combined. Pretending he has terrible accuracy is lame.

Even Daniel Jones at 61.9% in his first 23 games is not terrible.

  • Jones is a really bad QB because he has 19 picks, 28 fumbles, and lots of failed 4th down attempts.

FYI - The 4 best QBs of 2020 are ranked 4th, 20th, 21st, and 22nd in completion percentage.

Teddy is 3rd in completion percentage. Is he a good QB this year?

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How high of a completion percentage you need to be effective is largely dependent on what type of offense you're running.

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On 10/14/2020 at 2:35 PM, stl4life07 said:

Thru first 5 games for the Bucs the past 2 seasons:

Winston: 61.4% 8.3yds/pass 11-5 td-int 97.2 pass rating 3-0 fumbles-lost (2-3) record

Brady: 64.3% 7.0yds/pass 12-4 td-int 96.8 pass rating 4-1 fumbles-lost (3-2) record

Basically the Bucs got a more expensive version of Winston right now with one more win. They brought in Brady to be better than what Winston was and he is basically the same. Oh and if the Chargers didn’t have a meltdown being up 24-7 right before the half maybe Brady and the Bucs would’ve been (2-3) as well. Crazy just thinking about it lol.

 

 

2019 Winston: 2 wins 5 losses 153-263 for 58.17%  with 2972 yards at 7.88 per pass with 14 TDs 12 picks for an 82.1 rating. 28 sacks 8 fumbles 3 lost

2020 Brady 5 wins 2 losses 176-268 for 65.67% with 1910 yards at 7.13 per pass with 18 TDs 4 picks for a 102.7 rating. 8 sacks 4 fumbles 1 lost

 

 

That's more like it

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22 hours ago, MWil23 said:

Like I said, I think he’s somewhere in that 15-20 range right now.

LOL. This shows you don’t watch him. He’s got a great arm. Let’s look at ball velocity numbers: (Hint: He’s top 5)

Name, College, NFL Team – Ball Velocity in MPH
Josh Allen Wyoming 62 

Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, Bills (TE) - 60
Bryan Bennet, SE Louisiana, CFL- 60
Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech, Chiefs- 60
Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, Browns 60

Jacob Eason, Washington- 59
Jake Luton, Oregon State- 59
Steven Montez, Colorado- 59 

Davis Webb, California, Jets- 59
Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State, free agent– 59
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada, free agent- 59
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State, Vikings- 59
Zac Dysert, Miami (OH), free agent- 59
Tyler Bray, Tennessee, Bears- 59
Stephen Morris, Miami, free agent- 59
Paxton Lynch, Memphis, Seahawks- 59

Jared Goff, California, Rams - 58
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas, free agent- 58
Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi, free agent- 58

Kevin Davidson, Princeton- 57 
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State, Eagles- 57
Nick Foles, Arizona, Bears- 57
Mark Sanchez, USC, free agent- 57
Josh Freeman, Kansas State, Free Agent - 57
Chase Daniels, Missouri, Bears- 57
Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois, free agent- 57
Tom Savage, Pittsburgh, free agent- 57
Sean Mannion, Oregon State, Vikings- 57
Brandon Bridge, South Alabama, free agent - 57

DeShon Kizer, Notre Dame, Packers- 56
Andy Dalton, TCU, Bengals - 56
Cam Newton, Auburn, Panthers - 56
Colt McCoy, Texas, Redskins- 56 (recorded in a private workout with a radar gun & computer chip in the football)
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse, free agent– 56
Curtis Painter, Purdue, free agent- 56
Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, free agent - 56
Patrick Devlin, Delaware, free agent- 56
Josh Woodrum, Liberty, free agent- 56
Blake Bortles, Central Florida, Rams- 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois, 49ers- 56
Marcus Mariota, Oregon, Titans - 56
Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State, Colts- 56
Jeff Mathews, Cornell, free agent - 56
Keith Wenning, Ball State, Giants - 56
Joel Stave, Wisconsin, Chiefs - 56
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State, free agent- 56
Anthony Boone, Duke, free agent - 56

Justin Herbert, Oregon- 55 
Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina, Bears- 55
Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech, TBD - 55
Trevor Knight, Texan A&M, AAF- 55
Jameis Winston, Florida State, Buccaneers - 55
Joe Flacco, Delaware, Broncos- 55
Geno Smith, West Virginia, Chargers- 55
CJ Beathard, Iowa, 49ers- 55
Trevon Boykin, TCU, Seahawks - 55
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin, Seahawks - 55
Brandon Allen, Arkansas, Jaguars - 55
Cody Kessler, USC, Browns - 55
Cody Fajardo, Nevada, free agent - 55
Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois, free agent - 55
Casey Keenum, Houston, Redskins- 55
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas, free agent - 55
Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin, free agent- 55

James Morgan, Florida International- 54
Jordan Love, Utah State- 54
Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma- 54
Nate Stanley, Iowa - 54

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State, Cowboys - 54
Tajh Boyd, Clemson, free agent - 54
Bryn Renner, North Carolina, free agent - 54
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana, Eagles- 54
Jake Locker, Washington, free agent- 54
EJ Manuel, Florida State, Chiefs- 54
Matthew Scott, Arizona, free agent - 54

Jake Fromm, Georgia- 53 
Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, Raiders- 53
Brad Kaaya, Miami, Bengals- 53

David Fales, San Jose State, free agent- 53
AJ McCarron, Alabama, free agent- 53
Brett Hundley, UCLA, Cardinals- 53
Kevin Hogan, Stanford, free agent- 53
Brandon Doughty, Western Kentucky, free agent- 53
Vernon Adams, Oregon, free agent - 53
Mitch Leidner, Minnesota, TBD - 53
Bryce Petty, Baylor, free agent- 53
Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M, free agent- 53
Landry Jones, Oklahoma, free agent- 53
Chad Henne, Michigan, Chiefs- 53
Stephen McGee, Texas A & M - 53

Anthony Gordon, Washington State- 52 
Shane Carden, Eastern Carolina, free agent, 52
Jeff Driskel, Louisiana Tech, Bengals - 52
Seth Russell, Baylor, TBD - 52
Graham Harrell, Texas Tech, free agent - 52
Pat White, West Virginia, free agent - 52
Kellen Moore, Boise State, coaching- 52
TJ Yates, North Carolina, free agent - 52
Michael Kafka, Northwestern, free agent - 52
Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St., free agent - 52
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State, free agent - 52

Brian Lewerke, Michigan State- 51
Cole McDonald, Hawaii- 51
Shea Patterson, Michigan - 51

Josh Dobbs, Tennessee, Steelers-51
Jerry Lovelocke, Praire View A&M, free agent - 51
Christian Ponder, Florida St, free agent - 51
Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech, free agent - 51

Matt Flynn, LSU, free agent -- 50
John Skelton, Fordham, free agent - 50
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa, free agent - 50
Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech, Chargers- 50
Connor Cook, Michigan, free agent- 50
Connor Shaw, South Carolina, free agent- 50
Nick Marshall, Auburn, free agent- 50

Deshaun Watson, Clemson, Texans- 49
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State, Raiders- 49
Josh Johnson, San Diego, Redskins- 49
Kelly Bryant, Missouri- 47 
Sefo Liufau, Colorado, TBD - 46
Cooper Rush, Central Michigan, Cowboys- 46
Blake Sims, Alabama, free agent - 42 
 

 

 

 

 

Didn't expect Herbert to be that low

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