TheRealMcCoy Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 15 hours ago, WizardHawk said: FIFY.....Dallas is going to get bent over on this one way or another. There is no real way around it. It's hard to even put into words how poorly they have played out this entire scenario. Dallas has let the market re-set 4 times. This one being a true dagger though. Letting Mahomes' deal get done first is just plain stupid. The funny thing is a lot of the time I feel like Dallas does pretty good deals like they robbed (okay... I know it's hyperbole) Tyron Smith imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, TheRealMcCoy said: True. I'm just saying. Like Wentz's deal is definitely gonna make it harder for us to roster build. However, you guys are pretty fortunate going from Romo (undrafted) to Prescott (4th round) .... like its definitely a risk to just let him walk. Obviously you could end up hitting on a QB in the first when you let him walk which would pay huge dividends, but if you believe Dak is a franchise QB I feel you have to lock him up. To me he's top 10, so he's a guy I think I would still want to extend if I were in your guys shoes. The front office definitely botched this though. I feel like they could've had him for a decent amount cheaper. Like I was surprised Wentz got his deal before him, because he had a 5th year option which Dak didn't. Have to give credit he played this extremely well. I thought he was dumb for not just taking the 35 million or whatever you guys were offering months ago.... I was dead wrong about that one. I don't think there was any "good" way to reach a contract extension quickly between the two parties. There were/are too many moving parts and too many varying opinions relating to performance. It made the "value" of the player too difficult to estimate. The challenge is that it comes down to the ultimate question: Does he make the team better, or does he depend on the surrounding cast to perform? In my opinion, he's dependent on the contributions of everyone else and cannot (as of yet) carry the team independently, which makes a negotiation problematic because the more we give him, the fewer players we can surround him with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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plan9misfit Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, D82 said: Heh. Mav made a funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboyfanin2890 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 5 hours ago, plan9misfit said: I don't think there was any "good" way to reach a contract extension quickly between the two parties. There were/are too many moving parts and too many varying opinions relating to performance. It made the "value" of the player too difficult to estimate. The challenge is that it comes down to the ultimate question: Does he make the team better, or does he depend on the surrounding cast to perform? In my opinion, he's dependent on the contributions of everyone else and cannot (as of yet) carry the team independently, which makes a negotiation problematic because the more we give him, the fewer players we can surround him with. I think this is the issue as a whole of surrounding him with the talent needed. Mahomes will struggle with the lack of talent around him if they do not hit in the draft consistently. Dak is probably a 35 million a year QB at the rate Mahomes was paid but it still does not make financial sense to any organization. Just as a thought, when a player takes up X amount of a salary cap what is the chances of winning a Super Bowl and what is the breaking point(like going over 15% for one player)? I hope I worded the question correctly so someone who has the resources can dig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 wowzers. We can only hope. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 51 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: wowzers. We can only hope. That's a great group to be a part of, let alone be among the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: wowzers. We can only hope. He pans out, I don't see Amari being here too much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadaluvsdallas Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 hours ago, D82 said: He pans out, I don't see Amari being here too much longer. Can't have enough weapons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 hours ago, CAPJ said: That's a great group to be a part of, let alone be among the top. To be fair, I’m sure it’s just a list of great WRs and their respective AYPR. Not necessarily a group of it’s own with no other WRs in it. They left off any names that weren’t household. That’s not the list of the top AYPR of all time, and doesn’t claim to be. I’m not trying to diminish what Lamb did, and certainly this a great average. But trust that there are probably 100s of no name bust WRs that averaged somewhere between 14.8 and 20.2 yards per reception in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Patrick Crayton averaged 19 yards per catch in college. He was the first WR I looked up. Again, not saying Lamb is bad, but I could probably very easily create a similar list of 15 WRs and their college average, use only no name maligned WRs, and have Lamb not be near the top. Then his company won’t look as great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Charles Rodgers - 20.9 Troy Williamson - 19.3 Patrick Crayton - 19.0 Cedrick Wilson Jr - 19.0 Ceedee Lamb - 19.0 Jon’Vea Johnson - 18.1 Freddie Mitchell - 17.8 Antonio Bryant - 17.4 Ashley Lelie - 17.2 Okay, he’s still not at the bottom but you get the idea. I could keep going. This is not great company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 hours ago, DaBoys said: To be fair, I’m sure it’s just a list of great WRs and their respective AYPR. Not necessarily a group of it’s own with no other WRs in it. They left off any names that weren’t household. That’s not the list of the top AYPR of all time, and doesn’t claim to be. I’m not trying to diminish what Lamb did, and certainly this a great average. But trust that there are probably 100s of no name bust WRs that averaged somewhere between 14.8 and 20.2 yards per reception in college. Ah. I misinterpreted the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Matts4313 said: wowzers. We can only hope. There are a lot of NFL HOFers and future HOFers on that list. It shows that there is a correlation (in some way to some degree) between college production and professional potential. Edited July 9, 2020 by plan9misfit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Ceedee is an unproven talent with tremendous upside.. nothing more nothing less at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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