Kiwibrown Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: Divvies them out amongst the brethren whom make it all possible. Comrade Tayne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Woods has to go. I don’t care if the talent wasn’t great. You can’t have the worst 4th down defense of all time by a mile and keep your job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, sdrawkcab321 said: Woods has to go. I don’t care if the talent wasn’t great. You can’t have the worst 4th down defense of all time by a mile and keep your job. I'll be surprised if he's fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Woods has to go. I don’t care if the talent wasn’t great. You can’t have the worst 4th down defense of all time by a mile and keep your job. I think he’s give 1 more year. They’ll see what he can do with added draft picks and free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketheadsdad Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, DawgX said: I'll be surprised if he's fired. He spent this year like a hair stylist with a comb missing half of its teeth. He did what he could with what he had available. He didn't injure Greedy. He didn't injure Delpit. We got this far despite having a suspect defense. I'm looking at this as the glass being half full, rather than empty. I'm sad about the loss, but I'm not all that upset. We traded blows with the defending Super Bowl Champs. I'm god-damned proud to be a Cleveland Browns fan. I'm thrilled about where this team is, and where it may be next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Bucketheadsdad said: He spent this year like a hair stylist with a comb missing half of its teeth. He did what he could with what he had available. He didn't injure Greedy. He didn't injure Delpit. We got this far despite having a suspect defense. I'm looking at this as the glass being half full, rather than empty. I'm sad about the loss, but I'm not all that upset. We traded blows with the defending Super Bowl Champs. I'm god-damned proud to be a Cleveland Browns fan. I'm thrilled about where this team is, and where it may be next year. Yeah, at this point point I have a fairly neutral view of Woods. Our defense performed as expected given our personnel. I won't cry if he's fired by any means, but I won't be mad if he's back either. If we're still fielding a crap defense once we add more talent, then obviously I'll change my tune. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 He has messed up a bunch. That run by henne, and pass to 31, defense isnt fundamentally sound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 Guys that I’m getting rid of or not paying: Olivier Vernon - He’s physically done. Karl Joseph - Can’t cover to save his life. He’s a glorified linebacker. He might be a rotational guy. Andrew Sendejo - Nuff said MJ Stewart - Terrible Mack Wilson - Might keep him as a depth body, but he sucks. Larry Ogunjobi - Not worth what he will ask for. Sheldon Richardson - 30, but he did flash at times. Similar situation as Vernon. His age + compensation make it a tough call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Guys that I’m getting rid of or not paying: Olivier Vernon - He’s physically done. Karl Joseph - Can’t cover to save his life. He’s a glorified linebacker. He might be a rotational guy. Andrew Sendejo - Nuff said MJ Stewart - Terrible Mack Wilson - Might keep him as a depth body, but he sucks. Larry Ogunjobi - Not worth what he will ask for. Sheldon Richardson - 30, but he did flash at times. Similar situation as Vernon. His age + compensation make it a tough call. I'd keep Richardson as I believe he's still under contract one more year. He's not great but he's solid and has good moments. Especially if we don't bring back Ogunjobi, then he'll be needed unless we draft/sign a top quality DT. I'd be willing to bring back Joseph on a team-friendly, short-term deal. You could do worse for a backup safety. But no big deal if he's not brought back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketheadsdad Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 minute ago, DawgX said: I'd keep Richardson as I believe he's still under contract one more year. He's not great but he's solid and has good moments. Especially if we don't bring back Ogunjobi, then he'll be needed unless we draft/sign a top quality DT. I'd be willing to bring back Joseph on a team-friendly, short-term deal. You could do worse for a backup safety. But no big deal if he's not brought back. We should have Billings back to hopefully plug a gap or two as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 36 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Guys that I’m getting rid of or not paying: Olivier Vernon - He’s physically done. Karl Joseph - Can’t cover to save his life. He’s a glorified linebacker. He might be a rotational guy. Andrew Sendejo - Nuff said MJ Stewart - Terrible Mack Wilson - Might keep him as a depth body, but he sucks. Larry Ogunjobi - Not worth what he will ask for. Sheldon Richardson - 30, but he did flash at times. Similar situation as Vernon. His age + compensation make it a tough call. OV is not physically done. He was really good in the second half of the year. Just need to see what his Achilles is looking like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 We need a stud LB. every good team has one. Even schobert who’s a borderline pro bowl player made a huge difference. Get someone who’s a legit stud and it could make us a super bowl team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DawgX said: I'll be surprised if he's fired. Yes. However, Woods was average at best following Wade Phillips in Denver, he was great with elite talent in SF and then was somewhat average in CLE. I will go back to the same thing I have been banging the table on for YEARS on this Browns message board. Spend the off-season upgrading the defense and HIRE WADE PHILLIPS!!! Its not rocket science and Wade in no way shape or form would make anything on this team worse. Edited January 18, 2021 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, candyman93 said: Guys that I’m getting rid of or not paying: Olivier Vernon - He’s physically done. Would have kept him, but not now with his achilles Quote Karl Joseph - Can’t cover to save his life. He’s a glorified linebacker. He might be a rotational guy. I'd keep him cheap Quote Andrew Sendejo - Nuff said MJ Stewart - Terrible He is ok as a 6th corner. Quote Mack Wilson - Might keep him as a depth body, but he sucks. He does suck Quote Larry Ogunjobi - Not worth what he will ask for. Agree, I'd keep him for nothing. Quote Sheldon Richardson - 30, but he did flash at times. Similar situation as Vernon. His age + compensation make it a tough call. I agree, we still pay him a bunch to keep him though, could be worth keeping him for that sake. He cleans up a bit and makes tackles behind the ljen of scrimmage Edited January 18, 2021 by Kiwibrown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: We need a stud LB. every good team has one. Even schobert who’s a borderline pro bowl player made a huge difference. Get someone who’s a legit stud and it could make us a super bowl team. I think we need more than a stud LB to be a legit Super Bowl team, but a stud LB would definitely help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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