Jets S Jamal Adams demands trade

[SweetFancyMoses]

9 hours ago, KingOfTheDot said:

Still can't believe people think we should pay him right now. No one is paying anyone right now but the Jets should just throw some money around because...

Jamal's beef is with his union that negotiated the 5th year option.  What if the Jets extend him, and he blows out his knee.  Sorry too early

 

[dcat]

11 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

So to clarify, you are changing your original incorrect statements?

Please provide a list of teams who have paid 1st round safeties after year 3.  If you find any, then compare to quantity of all the other 1st round safeties who were either not extended or extended after year 4 (before 5th yr option kicked in).  So to be clear,  you think the Jets should acquiesce to Adams' absurd demands.  Got it.  Thanks for the opinion.  Mine is that his position isn't worth that % of salary cap.  He is a very good player but vastly over rated.  Again, that is opinion rather than fact so no worth in arguing if he is.  The only people for whom that is important right now are Joe Douglas and Chris/Woody Johnson and of course the narcissist and his agent..  

 

[dcat]

 

Jamal Adams Trade Rumors: The latest from PFN Insider Tony Pauline

New York Jets safety Jamal Adams wants to be traded, but will they trade him? PFN Insider Tony Pauline has the latest from his sources on the latest rumors. 

By: Shane G. Tyler

In an otherwise slow NFL news period, Pro Football Network Chief Draft Analyst/Insider Tony Pauline has received numerous intel into some of the league’s major headlines. In just the last 24-48 hours, Pauline has gained a sense of what many in the league think about New York Jets safety Jamal Adams’ trade request and the rumors that the Jets organization is to blame.

So, what are those close to the situation saying about the reality Adams gets dealt? Who or what could the Jets get in exchange for their disgruntled captain?
 

The timing of Adams’ trade request has many perplexed

Before we get into the details of who the Jets may want in return, let’s start with the timing of Adams’ request. We’ve seen this story before. An NFL player is rumored to be on the trade block, doesn’t end up getting moved, and ultimately demands a new deal or a trade occurs. For Adams, the story hasn’t been as cut and dry.

Last fall, it was rumored that the Jets were shopping Adams when in reality, they were only listening to offers for the heralded All-Pro safety. While we know general manager Joe Douglas and the Jets mended the misunderstanding with their star defensive player, Adams saw an opportunity for renegotiation. And here we are.

But Pauline noted that “the timing of it [the trade request] is really suspect in a regular year, in a usual year. This is not a usual year.”

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That said, Pauline hears that it’s not necessarily Adams to blame. Those he’s spoken to around the league have shared a similar sentiment regarding the safety’s representation, saying that Adams is not getting good guidance from his agent.

With so much uncertainty involving the 2020 season playing out or team salary caps being a great unknown for the coming year or two, Adams could very well be doing himself more harm than good by seeking new deals and trades – especially requests with specific teams in mind.

Who do the Jets want in return if they traded Jamal Adams?

Right now, it appears that the Dallas Cowboys may be a logical landing spot for Adams due to his desire to be traded there and because they are rumored to have an affection for Adams. But even better? The Jets may be willing to do business with the Cowboys because they covet a player on their offensive line.

 

Pauline said, “I’m told right now that the player the Jets would ask for in a trade for Adams would be right tackle La’el Collins. That’s the player that they want. That’s the player that they’re going to target…If you’re a Jets fan, you know one thing – you can’t start the season with Chuma Edoga starting at right tackle.”

You can listen to the full conversation between Pauline and co-host Andy Herman, which takes place at the beginning of the podcast, in the embedded player below. Please note that this article continues after the player.

There is also a financial incentive for the Jets to acquire Collins

Collins would immediately upgrade the right side of the Jets’ offensive line despite retooling the unit this offseason. The former LSU standout was anticipated to be a first-round selection in the 2015 NFL Draft. However, after being connected, even minorly, to a homicide around the time of the draft, Collins was never drafted. To be clear, he was never directly involved or considered a suspect.

In the end, Collins was in control of whom he signed with and elected to join Dallas’ stout unit on a three-year deal – pennies compared to that of a top ten draftee. But in 2017, Collins would finally earn his payday by signing a two-year, $15.4 million contract leading to a five-year extension last September.

If acquired by the Jets, Pauline believes it would be enough to pry Adams away. Many in the league feel Collins’ current deal, which is contractual through 2024, would be of great value and could ultimately make Collins an underpaid asset in the near future.

Does Jamal Adams have a bad relationship with Adam Gase?

When asked if he hears of problems within the organization or Adams’ camp, Pauline put plainly – this is strictly about Jamal Adams wanting out.

“You can blame the Jets for a lot of things, and the Jets are a good punching bag, but you can’t blame the Jets for this,” Pauline said. “You can’t blame Adams for asking for the big money. You can’t blame the Jets for listening to offers….You can’t blame the Jets for not acquiescing to Adams’ salary demands with so many variables.”

Will the Jets trade Jamal Adams?

So, why would the Jets consider trading the All-Pro safety to the Cowboys for La’el Collins? Because of timing. With the 2021 salary cap up in the air and Adams demanding roughly $20 million per year for as a safety, the Jets are trying to be reasonable in an unreasonable time.

In short, the Jets are doing their due diligence with the situation. However, that begs the question – will Adams get traded? With the timing of the request along with the salary demands, what are the chances the Jets actually move Adams to the Cowboys for Collins

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Pauline has his own feelings on a trade being executed, saying that he is kind of skeptical about it looking at the entire situation. However, a source close to the situation told Pauline that “they believe it could or will happen.”

Either way, it seems the trade rumors involving Jamal Adams are heating up as more information becomes available. The question remains whether or not the current climate the NFL finds itself in with the likes of salary cap cuts and uncertainty surrounding the 2020 season will play a role in Adams’ future

[Soko]

On 6/25/2020 at 9:52 AM, dcat said:

2 years left on his rookie contract.  THe deal, if it happens, gets done before the 5th year option, not before the 4th year.  Unless he is a franchise QB.  /end thread. 

 

2 hours ago, dcat said:

Please provide a list of teams who have paid 1st round safeties after year 3. 

Yeah, I’m going to go ahead and refer to this again:

18 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

You’re blatantly not reading at this point...

Not sure if you’re actually not reading it or just dodging the slip up you made earlier. You’ve back pedaled enough.

Edited June 26, 2020 by Yin-Yang

[canadaluvsdallas]

Why do we keep pretending that Adams has been asking for contract extensions from the Jets only during the pandemic exclusively? I think he's been asking for money for forever it feels like. It's amazing they have ignored to discuss this with him as front office management for so long.

It okay to be shrewd with contracts but atleast have open conversation with your players to manage expectations.

[Jakuvious]

3 hours ago, canadaluvsdallas said:

Why do we keep pretending that Adams has been asking for contract extensions from the Jets only during the pandemic exclusively? I think he's been asking for money for forever it feels like. It's amazing they have ignored to discuss this with him as front office management for so long.

It okay to be shrewd with contracts but atleast have open conversation with your players to manage expectations.

Yeah, the whole thing started back in like February.

[SDotNova]

5 hours ago, canadaluvsdallas said:

Why do we keep pretending that Adams has been asking for contract extensions from the Jets only during the pandemic exclusively? I think he's been asking for money for forever it feels like. It's amazing they have ignored to discuss this with him as front office management for so long.

It okay to be shrewd with contracts but atleast have open conversation with your players to manage expectations.

His contract demands started earlier this year. It probably feel like a long time but it has only been during the pandemic. Countries started taking covid seriously in February even though there were some Dr in China raising warning signs in December.

Edit: So he was asking for a new contract in January. This seems like the earliest date. One more before the Covid became a serious thing. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by SDotNova

[canadaluvsdallas]

On 6/20/2020 at 7:49 AM, dcat said:

$15 million?  Sign me up.  Now.  Wanna make him highest paid safety AFTER cap is settled for 2021 (following revenue analysis from 2020)?  I'm down with that.  

Want 38% more per year than the current highest paid safety after year 3 of your 5-year contract?  No.  Wait one more year dude, and you'll be the highest paid safety.  Not now.  His insistence on NOW... perfectly timed for the middle of a world pandemic with chaos in the streets, is strategic, tactical and shows no regard for his team, teammates, the fans or anyone other than himself, quite frankly.   Don't want in my locker room.

His disdain for the Jets is but wierd though. 

Reminds me much of Taco Charlton, no matter how much ever you try hard to make some of your own drafted players happy and improve them they always sometimes just don’t want to play for your team. and Honestly just cause.

I think it was good for the cowboys to part ways with Charlton, it worked out for both of us.

Adams might sadly be that case for the Jets. But hey it’s ok. It happens to every team.

[Jakuvious]

On 6/26/2020 at 8:32 AM, dcat said:

Please provide a list of teams who have paid 1st round safeties after year 3.  If you find any, then compare to quantity of all the other 1st round safeties who were either not extended or extended after year 4 (before 5th yr option kicked in).  So to be clear,  you think the Jets should acquiesce to Adams' absurd demands.  Got it.  Thanks for the opinion.  Mine is that his position isn't worth that % of salary cap.  He is a very good player but vastly over rated.  Again, that is opinion rather than fact so no worth in arguing if he is.  The only people for whom that is important right now are Joe Douglas and Chris/Woody Johnson and of course the narcissist and his agent..  

 

The rookie wage scale was introduced in 2011. The 2016 draft class would've been the last one to be eligible to an extension after 3 years (since this offseason is still in progress, we'll leave out 2017.) In that time, there have been about 12 safeties drafted in the first round (couple guys like Jimmie Ward, Damarious Randall, have played both S and CB depending on the point in their career.) Of those 12, you have 2 that didn't even make it past their first 3 years, in Matt Elam and Calvin Pryor. You have seven who were never extended by the team that drafted them at all and moved on in free agency or via trade, with Damarious Randall, Kenny Vacarro, Mark Barron, Deone Buchanan, Karl Joseph, Eric Reid, and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Keanu Neal has yet to be extended, but still theoretically could be, so we'll leave him separate. So that's 8 guys out of the 12 that didn't get extended after year 3, not because it's not something you do, but because the teams that drafted them didn't seem them as worth extending at all. That leaves two safeties in that window that were ever extended by the team that drafted them, in Jimmie Ward and Harrison Smith. Jimmie Ward is clearly not the player that Adams is. And even if we want to argue that he is, at the end of year 3, he was still struggling to find a foothold at CB, and was performing nowhere near as well as he did last year. Harrison Smith is probably the closest thing to a comparison here, but even he hadn't made a pro-bowl or an all-pro team at that stage in his career, while Adams has 2 and 1 respectively.

So, the reason you won't find a S extended in year three is because 1, this is a short window we're talking about where that's been a thing, 2, virtually every safety drafted within that window just wasn't good, and 3, that leaves you with an incredibly small sample size of maybe one player that's actually comparable to Adams in quality of play and situation, in Harrison Smith. Like, if Adams gets an extension this offseason, that would basically mean you'd jump to 50% of the good safeties drafted in the first round getting a year 3 extension, making it suddenly sound incredibly common.

[dcat]

17 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

The rookie wage scale was introduced in 2011. The 2016 draft class would've been the last one to be eligible to an extension after 3 years (since this offseason is still in progress, we'll leave out 2017.) In that time, there have been about 12 safeties drafted in the first round (couple guys like Jimmie Ward, Damarious Randall, have played both S and CB depending on the point in their career.) Of those 12, you have 2 that didn't even make it past their first 3 years, in Matt Elam and Calvin Pryor. You have seven who were never extended by the team that drafted them at all and moved on in free agency or via trade, with Damarious Randall, Kenny Vacarro, Mark Barron, Deone Buchanan, Karl Joseph, Eric Reid, and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Keanu Neal has yet to be extended, but still theoretically could be, so we'll leave him separate. So that's 8 guys out of the 12 that didn't get extended after year 3, not because it's not something you do, but because the teams that drafted them didn't seem them as worth extending at all. That leaves two safeties in that window that were ever extended by the team that drafted them, in Jimmie Ward and Harrison Smith. Jimmie Ward is clearly not the player that Adams is. And even if we want to argue that he is, at the end of year 3, he was still struggling to find a foothold at CB, and was performing nowhere near as well as he did last year. Harrison Smith is probably the closest thing to a comparison here, but even he hadn't made a pro-bowl or an all-pro team at that stage in his career, while Adams has 2 and 1 respectively.

So, the reason you won't find a S extended in year three is because 1, this is a short window we're talking about where that's been a thing, 2, virtually every safety drafted within that window just wasn't good, and 3, that leaves you with an incredibly small sample size of maybe one player that's actually comparable to Adams in quality of play and situation, in Harrison Smith. Like, if Adams gets an extension this offseason, that would basically mean you'd jump to 50% of the good safeties drafted in the first round getting a year 3 extension, making it suddenly sound incredibly common.

^ great post.   It is amazing how many 1st round safety selections are busts.   There are multiple Calvin Pryors for every Adams.  So indeed Adams is a rare bird.  I surely acknowledge that.  But the positional value just will never cut it for me plus my opinion of Adams value to the team, right down to W's & L's, is not worth his demands.  

For me, the deeper problem is why the Jets drafted a safety at all at #6 with Mahomes and Watson on the board.  The Jets had drafted bust Hackenberg the year before and our glorious GM, Maccagnan, felt hen eeded to give the bust more time to prove he was a bust, so instead of taking Mahomes or Watson, we drafted Adams and wasted money on an aging veteran QB.  This after the coaches told Maccagnan that he was a bust and the derogotory comments about Hack being a bust were evident from the famous  anonymous Jets sources.  They wouldn't even let Hack take a single snap in his 1st season and after everyone saw him in practice send his passes into the ocean or the ground.  But we chose a safety.  No one knows where Mac's bunker is nowadays, but he should hide.  Set the team backwrds multiple years.

[canadaluvsdallas]

 

 

[NJC33]

3 hours ago, canadaluvsdallas said:

 

 

Spot on.. Those using "positional value" arguments to discredit Adam's importance have no idea the impact his versatility has on a defense or just how good he is in all facets of the game. Great video

[KingOfNewYork]

2 hours ago, NJC33 said:

Spot on.. Those using "positional value" arguments to discredit Adam's importance have no idea the impact his versatility has on a defense or just how good he is in all facets of the game. Great video

Positional value matters though regardless of how you, me or anyone sees it. If Adams was an Outside Linebacker and was doing all of these things he'd be worth the 20M potentially but when you have to go 2 Deep, like we did early in the season because our Corners sucked, and he's playing the deep half and not making those gamechanging plays that 20M price tag hurts. It is all relative value.

[dcat]

14 hours ago, NJC33 said:

Spot on.. Those using "positional value" arguments to discredit Adam's importance have no idea the impact his versatility has on a defense or just how good he is in all facets of the game. Great video

You couldn't be more wrong about positional value if you tried.  No matter how good your safety is, it is far more important to have good OT, CB, Edge and of course QB. It is far more important to use your salary cap wisely, as I believe Joe Douglas will do.  So glad that JD isn't buckling to this idiot's absurd and premature demands.  

[GangGreen420]

Positional value matters to these GMs and the players relative market... period. No GM is paying him 20m annually. None.