skywlker32 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 10:49 AM, ET80 said: You understand that HoF HC Jimmy Johnson did the same thing during his tenure in Dallas, right? https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2015/09/12/troy-aikman-jimmy-johnson-filmed-signals-as-head-coach-of-the-dallas-cowboys/ Or how about Chuck Noll and Bill Cowher, for letting a steroids culture take over Pittsburgh, on their way to five SBs? https://yourteamcheats.com/PIT Or Jerry Rice - the greatest receiver of all time - and his admission to using Stickum, a banned substance? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2356830-jerry-rice-admits-to-using-illegal-stickum-on-gloves-during-career So, that's the 70s Steelers, 80s 49ers and 90s Cowboys. Each "dynasty" was aided in some capacity, no different than the '00/'10 Patriots. So if we're vacating HoF spots for this, get your U Haul ready - there are a lot of things that need to be removed from Canton. I just want to point out something here with the Steelers (correct me if I'm wrong). Steroids were not a banned substance or illegal until the 80's. I don't know that there was a significant steroid abuse aside from the 70's Steelers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_W Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 On 2020-06-29 at 10:29 AM, ET80 said: But there's nothing illegal about that. Unethical, sure. if that isn't a BB t-shirt quote; I don't know what is the rules book is 10% thicker solely on his antics 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) If a poster consistently uses Belicheat in a non sarcastic manner, you can be sure they aren’t someone to be taken seriously. Edited July 2, 2020 by Pats#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ryan_W said: if that isn't a BB t-shirt quote; I don't know what is the rules book is 10% thicker solely on his antics I'm not denying that, but it's not reason to ignore what he's done or hold him out of the Hall of Fame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 10:49 AM, ET80 said: You understand that HoF HC Jimmy Johnson did the same thing during his tenure in Dallas, right? https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2015/09/12/troy-aikman-jimmy-johnson-filmed-signals-as-head-coach-of-the-dallas-cowboys/ In the interest of precision and clarity: The Patriots weren't popped specifically for filming the other team's sideline. That in and of itself is not illegal. The rule they broke was WHERE the camera operator was as they filmed the opponent's sideline. An infraction that teams consistently noticed over the years, complained to the league office, and the league office warned them over and over to stop. It may be that JJ wasn't filming from the prohibited areas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 4 hours ago, skywlker32 said: I just want to point out something here with the Steelers (correct me if I'm wrong). Steroids were not a banned substance or illegal until the 80's. I don't know that there was a significant steroid abuse aside from the 70's Steelers. Bro I would be shocked if 75%+ arent taking some form of PED even to today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, DannyB said: In the interest of precision and clarity: The Patriots weren't popped specifically for filming the other team's sideline. That in and of itself is not illegal. The rule they broke was WHERE the camera operator was as they filmed the opponent's sideline. An infraction that teams consistently noticed over the years, complained to the league office, and the league office warned them over and over to stop. It may be that JJ wasn't filming from the prohibited areas. also he filmed other teams practices right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: also he filmed other teams practices right? Yes. I don't know if there's like, an official record, but the word around the league was that it was pretty well known, and thus why the league sent them a memo saying "uh, please stop". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: also he filmed other teams practices right? Nope. That was a story that was later retracted by the person who wrote it, every one who has said it since was forced to retract it and an NFL investigation deemed it untrue. It stems from the fact that because 9/11 delayed the season the SB didn’t have the extra week break so teams were extra condensed for practice time at the field or whatever facility was being used and some Pats personnel were at the stadium at one point setting up. So unless the NFL and media was protecting the Pats for literally no reason.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, DannyB said: Yes. I don't know if there's like, an official record, but the word around the league was that it was pretty well known, and thus why the league sent them a memo saying "uh, please stop". Nope again. I don’t know why people on this sub speculate on documented matters. The memo was in regards to filming from an undesignated spot. It was only ever about filming from an undesignated spot. It was largely an unenforced rule that many teams took part in. Goodell became the new Commissioner in 2006 (when the memo came out) and he wanted to tighten up the rules. Hence the memo. Belichick was being a **** and decided he didn’t care. Spygate was really a 2006-the first week of 2007 thing. So it was always kinda funny when Eagles, Panthers, Rams, and Colts fans complain about something that was going on league wide that wasn’t being penalized at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, lancerman said: Nope again. I don’t know why people on this sub speculate on documented matters. The memo was in regards to filming from an undesignated spot. It was only ever about filming from an undesignated spot. It was largely an unenforced rule that many teams took part in. Goodell became the new Commissioner in 2006 (when the memo came out) and he wanted to tighten up the rules. Hence the memo. Belichick was being a **** and decided he didn’t care. Spygate was really a 2006-the first week of 2007 thing. So it was always kinda funny when Eagles, Panthers, Rams, and Colts fans complain about something that was going on league wide that wasn’t being penalized at the time. Yes, filming from an area that was prohibited. That's what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, DannyB said: Yes, filming from an area that was prohibited. That's what I said. You were responding to someone who asked about filming practices. Spygate was about game film an undesignated spot on the field. Not practices. That’s the funniest thing about a Spygate. Even if you took it to be a super egregious advantage (which discounts that filming is legal from certain spots), it’s really only actionable if an NFC doesn’t change its signals every 4 years, almost AFC teams don’t every 3 years, and only the Jets, Dolphins, and Bills would be at risk of it being used against them that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, lancerman said: Nope. That was a story that was later retracted by the person who wrote it, every one who has said it since was forced to retract it and an NFL investigation deemed it untrue. It stems from the fact that because 9/11 delayed the season the SB didn’t have the extra week break so teams were extra condensed for practice time at the field or whatever facility was being used and some Pats personnel were at the stadium at one point setting up. So unless the NFL and media was protecting the Pats for literally no reason.... well I think NFL investigations are the most ridiculous and horribly mismanaged thing in the league. So it would not shock me at all for them to turn a blind eye. Not saying they did. Just that they are that incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 6 hours ago, $andtrap said: NE's owes most of their success to cheating and favortism from the referees. Brady and Belichick were never that good. You sure got your head in the sand. You might hate them and I can get on with that notion, but you got to respect their skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: well I think NFL investigations are the most ridiculous and horribly mismanaged thing in the league. So it would not shock me at all for them to turn a blind eye. Not saying they did. Just that they are that incompetent. My problem is that there’s no constancy. Fans like to say the NFL gives the Pats a pass but they almost immediately have them the harshest punishment over Spygate ever with very little investigating or debate and then they spent millions to suspend Brady over something they said in court they had no direct evidence of. Don’t really have a history of turning a blind eye. And not for nothing the person who broke the story also retracted it. So you have someone completely outside the NFL backing it up and they are the only reason it’s a thing to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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