Danger Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 6:57 PM, jrry32 said: Sean McVay versus Doug Pederson offensively: 2017 Rams - 1st in PPG and 10th in YPG Eagles - 3rd in PPG and 7th in YPG 2018 Rams - 2nd in PPG and 2nd in YPG Eagles - 18th in PPG and 14th in YPG 2019 Rams - 11th in PPG and 7th in YPG Eagles - 12th in PPG and 14th in YPG McVay has inarguably had the better offense each of the past two years. Lets see those numbers when you're missing 6-7 starters on offense in most games and all of your skill position players are practice squad guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Danger said: Lets see those numbers when you're missing 6-7 starters on offense in most games and all of your skill position players are practice squad guys. When your team suffers a bunch of injuries every year, that points to a problem in your organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jeezla said: They are basically the Rams with a better OL, but no Aaron Donald on D and the wrong ginger as HC. FIFY (obviously, that is referring to the past three years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, jrry32 said: When your team suffers a bunch of injuries every year, that points to a problem in your organization. Yes but you're being disingenuous with using it to paint Doug in a negative light comparatively speaking. None of us deny that it's an organizational problem, but that's not on Doug, it's only to his detriment, yet he's still had success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, Jeezla said: The Cowboys aren't exactly a pushover either This is literally the nicest thing any Eagles fans has said about us in like 25 years. Progress: @Kiltman @EaglesPeteC @Danger @RandyMossIsBoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Matts4313 said: This is literally the nicest thing any Eagles fans has said about us in like 25 years. Progress: @Kiltman @EaglesPeteC @Danger @RandyMossIsBoss Your offense should be great, defense I think is going to take a step back. Entering the season I'd have you guys as slight favorites, but I think our roster collectively has a higher ceiling this year. A lot of our holes on defense were plugged up and theoretically we'll have players coming back from injury this year. Until they get injured again at least! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Danger said: Your offense should be great, defense I think is going to take a step back. Entering the season I'd have you guys as slight favorites, but I think our roster collectively has a higher ceiling this year. A lot of our holes on defense were plugged up and theoretically we'll have players coming back from injury this year. Until they get injured again at least! Get'm some smoothies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Get'm some smoothies. Honestly? I'd bring Chip back as a consultant just to have practice conditioning and smoothies. It worked wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Danger said: Yes but you're being disingenuous with using it to paint Doug in a negative light comparatively speaking. None of us deny that it's an organizational problem, but that's not on Doug, it's only to his detriment, yet he's still had success. He's the head coach. Who should I blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, jrry32 said: He's the head coach. Who should I blame? The front office, the GM, the scouts (both professional and collegiate). Doug only works with the players he's given. Howie is fantastic at cap stuff. But for the most part he's really sucked at drafting since returning to GM duties in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Danger said: The front office, the GM, the scouts (both professional and collegiate). Doug only works with the players he's given. Howie is fantastic at cap stuff. But for the most part he's really sucked at drafting since returning to GM duties in 2016. This is literally the only elite thing JG had. Taking no matter whomever he got, he developed the crap out of them. Maybe this isnt a GM issue, but a HC one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Danger said: The front office, the GM, the scouts (both professional and collegiate). Doug only works with the players he's given. Howie is fantastic at cap stuff. But for the most part he's really sucked at drafting since returning to GM duties in 2016. Doug is still responsible for the training and S&C staffs, right? He's responsible for player management. He has a say in the programs they use to keep guys healthy. I'm just saying that when your players fail to stay healthy year after year, you're either cursed (Chargers) or you have an in-house problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 7:20 PM, Matts4313 said: On 6/30/2020 at 7:03 PM, 40Year Pack Fan said: Both teams have digressed since their last SB appearances....However, it seems Pederson has done more with less.... Did the Eagles really have less? They were named the most talented team in the NFL going into the last few years. Yeah. He definitely has. By how much? I don't know. I think he's faced more adversity as a HC and has responded better when it counts and not just the SB. McVay definitely should've beat us that game where the Rams knocked Carson out of the game and ultimately for the season. Eagles have had a lot of talent on the roster going into seasons, but we haven't been able to stay healthy lately. That is probably the only thing I miss from the Chip era. Quote According to FootballOutsiders Adjusted Games Lost has it like this for the past 3 years. Rams: 2017: 1st 2018: 4th 2019: 10th Eagles: 2017: 13th 2018: 32nd 2019: 21st Rams have done a great job at keeping the players healthy and I think that is more on the training staff. Eagles actually brought in a guy who used to be on the Rams strength and conditioning coach earlier this year lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, jrry32 said: Doug is still responsible for the training and S&C staffs, right? He's responsible for player management. He has a say in the programs they use to keep guys healthy. I'm just saying that when your players fail to stay healthy year after year, you're either cursed (Chargers) or you have an in-house problem. We probably did have an in-house problem honestly. They've been trying to shake up the training/medical staff. Not just this year. Hopefully it pays off. I won't count the Brooks injury against the staff if he hurt it just jogging onto a field. Anyways, according to Adam Caplan and his sources the biggest knock on Doug and what he needs to work on is coaching his coaches. He's a really good players coach, but they think he doesn't get on the coaches when guys aren't developing. I think Doug's surrounding coaching staff has gone downhill a bit in recent years, so Caplan may have a point there. Edited July 3, 2020 by TheRealMcCoy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) My biggest thing is I feel Doug comes up big when it matters. He gets a lot out of his teams, even when we have struggled to stay healthy. Those aren't easy things to do. I have a lot of respect for McVay and think both coaches deserve a spot in the top 10 like I wouldn't really be upset at Pederson being 3rd or 9th. I might argue his placement with a few, but here are some legendary and really great coaches in the league right now. Maybe Sean will get his first W against Pederson if we have a season though. Edited July 3, 2020 by TheRealMcCoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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