Deadpulse Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 WHO YOU GOT?? Cam Newton Pros Proven MVP level Talent Can make plays with his legs Incentive laden deal - motivated to perform Coming in fresh after a full year away from football Cons Unfamiliar with McD's verbiage Unfamiliar with supporting cast Odd fit in terms of team culture Coming off a couple potentially career changing injuries Jarret Stidham Pros Spent a year learning from Tom Brady Comfortable with the playbook/offense Much younger player - unrealized potential Familiar with supporting cast Cons Thrown 4 NFL regular season passes - and they werent great Unproven commodity Not a high pedigree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofos Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I think the biggest thing is going to be what type of offense the Patriots run. Stidham is still a bit of an unknown but Newton missed last year and his shoulder is still unknown. I know there is tape of Newton throwing recently but throwing against air is a lot different than throwing against an NFL defense. If I had to say right now who will be the week one starter I would say Newton but I'm not sure that is the best choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Well, all off-season so far I've been banging the drum of 'BB obviously thinks (knows) Stidham is good enough, because he's made no moves to add another QB either in FA or draft - so he's rolling with Jarrett'. I now have to detract that, obviously. I pick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 17 hours ago, Deadpulse said: Unfamiliar with McD's verbiage Unfamiliar with supporting cast Odd fit in terms of team culture Those aren't really strong reasons against Newton. I think the team fit in terms of culture is so wrong. I couldn't imagine a better leader at QB than Newton for this team right now. The entire team will rally around Cam, if anything. The supporting cast argument holds less weight because he is a duel-threat option. The offense has taken on a more smash mouth run identity in the last year or so which works to one of Cam's strengths. And the verbiage is an issue for all free agents and rookies on new teams or players under new coaching staffs in 2020. That somewhat brings down everyone else to a more even playing field. But also, there is Cam Newton's experience with Norv Turner whom you referenced in a great post earlier on this page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, DoleINGout said: The supporting cast argument holds less weight because he is a duel-threat option. I think people are overestimating this part. Yes, the dude is mobile and has proven that. However, he is 31 and he isnt going to be Lamar Jackson out there. I'm not saying you specifically, but all over the board people keep harping on the dual threat ability. It is there, but I don't think it will be as focal as some are making it seem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 There will certainly be far fewer designed run plays for Cam with us, compared to 2015, say. FAR fewer. Contrary to popular belief though, Cam is at his best operating a spread offense. The damage he done with CmC out wide, or 4 WR sets was notable. THAT's when the running becomes an option, there will be fewer defenders left in if we've spread them. Lanes will appear, and he'll rake off those annoying 3rd and mediums that killed us everytime we played him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jofos Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Deadpulse said: I think people are overestimating this part. Yes, the dude is mobile and has proven that. However, he is 31 and he isnt going to be Lamar Jackson out there. I'm not saying you specifically, but all over the board people keep harping on the dual threat ability. It is there, but I don't think it will be as focal as some are making it seem. This is what worries me with Newton. he only has three season where he completed 60% or more of his passes and only 1.69 TDs per INT. Those aren't great numbers. What made him special was his threat to run. In 2016, his worst year rushing (90-359-5 tds) he also had his worst year passing (52.9 % 3509 yards 19 TDs and 14 INTs) I think the old saying there are a lot of good young running QBs but not many old ones applies, but where does that leave Newton without being much of a running threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, jofos said: but where does that leave Newton without being much of a running threat. highly efficient in a short passing game. You are siting numbers from a time in which they pushed Cam into an offense that featured mostly go routes and deep post patterns, which he sucks at. He has the arm but the deep ball accuracy was NEVER there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 13 hours ago, Deadpulse said: Love it. He does look so different compared to earlier in his career. \ vs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 Fun fact, if Cam does beat out Studham, it will be the first time the Patriots started a QB they have NOT drafted since 1993. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Headline on FS1; "Cam Newton DOES NOT guarantee Patriots the title" Well, who tf has said it does? We're still not sure if we even win the DIV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 If Stid manages to beat Cam...be very afraid of this kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 any reports of STUDham doing workouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 First of thousands, hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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