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😂 I literally just watched all those same cut ups DB. That's funny.

My takeaway, honestly? Dyami is kind of the truth. I like him and there's no glaring weakness to his game. 

He's smooth and sudden in and out of breaks. There's subtle manipulation on his developing routes, loves the stutter. He flashes the ability to pluck the ball out of the air. He's obviously not elite tier there but I guess I'm not as concerned as you are with his hands. They seem fine to me. At the same level or slightly better than guys like DJ Chark, DJ Moore, etc when they came out. He doesn't fight the ball or double catch, and there's a pretty seamless transition into YAC mode which is a good sign. With YAC, he's not a "Watch Out" guy- but you do see him carry over some of his juice to that area. Pretty tough too, not scared of contact. He's a willing blocker but needs to up his core strength(Got tossed out of the club at point by Obi Melinfonwu's  little bro at Syracuse). Also to be fair I think the All-22 footage would reveal him getting behind those DBs quite a bit in a lot of those cut ups. They seemed cut off at times where it looked like he was pulling away.

I like the Torrey comparison. I think Torrey was definitely the better pure athlete, but Dyami looks like the headier and smoother pass catcher/all around receiver. Smith was a bit older, and less productive too. Both share a knack for finishing deep though.

The tape is good and the profile is good. There's just not a lot to knock him for. I think he's a safe high floor Deep Threat with a ceiling comfortably beyond that. And he should be getting more love than he is in this pretty sketchy WR class(for us at least). 

The best way to sum it up for me is, he looks like a natural receiver. One who possesses a skillset that would fit right into this offense and gel with what Lamar wants in a WR. I don't think we'd have to worry about him developing like we did with Boykin and the others. 

I'd love to get him in that 3rd Round area as well. Feels like he could be a steal, and I'd be very curious to see what our new WR & Pass Game coaches could get out of Dyami in Year 1. 

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God, look at this confidence during his Sophomore season. Dyami looks like a Justin Jefferson clone on a lot of these plays. He's officially become one of my 'favorites' for this draft cycle. Can't wait for the measurements on him, arm length looks ridiculous but sometimes the official stats can surprise you.

 

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2 hours ago, DreamKid said:

Also in those Dyami cut ups, Michael Carter for UNC reminded me of a young Mark Ingram a bit. Not shocked he flashed at the Senior Bowl.

It’s funny, he flashed for me in a big way as well. I’m also now watching Senior Bowl highlights (was actually coming here for that reason) and noticed him flashing in the game.

... though the reason I come here is because in said highlights, Drake Jackson had a duck of a snap that nearly ended up in ruin. This is crazy, all of the best options at center are presenting some sort of weakness in the snapping department... which is the #1 weakness of our current starting center. Otherwise we’d be needing guard help more than center.

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3 hours ago, DreamKid said:

😂 I literally just watched all those same cut ups DB. That's funny.

My takeaway, honestly? Dyami is kind of the truth. I like him and there's no glaring weakness to his game. 

He's smooth and sudden in and out of breaks. There's subtle manipulation on his developing routes, loves the stutter. He flashes the ability to pluck the ball out of the air. He's obviously not elite tier there but I guess I'm not as concerned as you are with his hands. They seem fine to me. At the same level or slightly better than guys like DJ Chark, DJ Moore, etc when they came out. He doesn't fight the ball or double catch, and there's a pretty seamless transition into YAC mode which is a good sign. With YAC, he's not a "Watch Out" guy- but you do see him carry over some of his juice to that area. Pretty tough too, not scared of contact. He's a willing blocker but needs to up his core strength(Got tossed out of the club at point by Obi Melinfonwu's  little bro at Syracuse). Also to be fair I think the All-22 footage would reveal him getting behind those DBs quite a bit in a lot of those cut ups. They seemed cut off at times where it looked like he was pulling away.

I like the Torrey comparison. I think Torrey was definitely the better pure athlete, but Dyami looks like the headier and smoother pass catcher/all around receiver. Smith was a bit older, and less productive too. Both share a knack for finishing deep though.

The tape is good and the profile is good. There's just not a lot to knock him for. I think he's a safe high floor Deep Threat with a ceiling comfortably beyond that. And he should be getting more love than he is in this pretty sketchy WR class(for us at least). 

The best way to sum it up for me is, he looks like a natural receiver. One who possesses a skillset that would fit right into this offense and gel with what Lamar wants in a WR. I don't think we'd have to worry about him developing like we did with Boykin and the others. 

I'd love to get him in that 3rd Round area as well. Feels like he could be a steal, and I'd be very curious to see what our new WR & Pass Game coaches could get out of Dyami in Year 1. 

Yeah I have his hands on a similar level to DJ Moore, which I feel is on a similar tier as Torrey Smith. They all have a little bit of Alligator arms when it comes to attacking the football in the air; with varying degrees of it. Brown’s level of it looks sort of like Torrey Smith from his sophomore season on.

I also believed, but was unsure if some of the drops came from the delivery of his QB. Felt like Sam was gunning the ball on occasions where he didn’t need to do so and the ball got in there hotter than expected.

But still I’d put his hands at roughly 6/10. With a guy like DeVonta Smith at a 9.5/10 for instance. Brown’s hands concern me a lot less since he seemed to have little issue with his hands on deep balls. I just don’t have true confidence in his high point ability if Lamar throws one up. While he can get up there, like Torrey Smith (though probably 36/37” vertical vs the 40” vertical TS had) his hands seem to be most comfortable when positioned closer to his frame, like Torrey Smith. I worry about that because it likely means his catch radius won’t be quite as large as it would be if he were a natural hands catcher.

That being said, like you mentioned, he is younger and perhaps with plenty of work he can increase his catch radius. The catch radius is my #1 trait I look for when looking for receiving options for us to target. #2 is separation ability.

Thats the only reason why I’m impressed but not overly so. I think Brown has everything you want, but his hands/catch radius (because his hands aren’t ‘natural’, which I don’t mean to be ‘bad’) is simply a notch below what I had hoped.
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That all said, this is me comparing him to DeVonta Smith (hands) and Kyle Pitts (catch radius). As well my expectations of Greg Roman as being the kind of OC to deploy Brown in all the ways that he might be weak in vs to his strengths because of Romans’ ineptitude in the passing attack (though hopefully the new coaches fix that).

With a more competent OC I’d be less concerned with his hands. I just expect Roman to use him as a YAC guy over the middle or on fades as a jump ball option. I mean, we had Devin Duvernay, a noted YAC specialist... and we rarely ever deployed him on bubble screens or hitch routes vs off coverage. 

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10 hours ago, DreamKid said:

Both Quincy Roche and Victor Dimukeje are hometown players and potential draft targets. Roche is from Randallstown, MD and attended New Town HS. Dimukeje is from Baltimore, MD and attended Boys Latin HS. Quincy would be in the 2nd & 3rd Round range while Victor will be a later round/UDFA guy. (Chase Young was also a MD kid, but obviously...isn't a potential acquisition- unless WFT really likes OBJ 😂). 

 

Pretty cool...I live like a 10 min walk away from New Town HS currently

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Antoine Winfield Jr

vs

Richie Grant


Who do you guys have as the best, most complete safety. I think it’s clear that Derwin James and Minkah Fitzpatrick were on another level, but I think these two safeties are on a similar enough level that it’s a close call as to which is the superior safety prospect.

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7 hours ago, diamondbull424 said:

Who do you guys have as the best, most complete safety. I think it’s clear that Derwin James and Minkah Fitzpatrick were on another level, but I think these two safeties are on a similar enough level that it’s a close call as to which is the superior safety prospect.

I think as a pure Safety Antoine is probably the superior prospect, but if you start talking the chess/matchup piece game Grant becomes interesting. 

IIRC Grant turns 24 in November. So he's very similar to Kyle Dugger from last year who was another great but overaged athlete that flashed at the Senior Bowl. Dugger went 37th to the Pats and Winfield went 45th to the Bucs. Jeremy Chinn another safety/move piece that went off at the Senior, was the last pick of the 2nd Round at 64 for the Panthers.

It feels like Richie has less hype compared to some of those names, at this point at least, so I think his stock starts at that Late 2nd Round range right now. Which is great for a guy previously destined for Day 3.

Weren't you on the TCU guys early though DB? Have you pulled off on them?

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47 minutes ago, drd23 said:

IDK if its just me, but it seems Trevon Moehrig's stock has really risen since DJ put him in his top 25 prospects

Seems like he's always been the "Round 1" guy of this class. Guess I personally haven't noticed a big shift, but a guy like DJ will influence talk significantly.

I'm sure the actual NFL community was already high on him but DJ sure launched Mekhi Becton into Top 10 Mock Draft stardom for the amateur analysts out there in 2020. It's almost like a seal of approval where people go "Oh, okay now we can mock player X within range X". Definitely moves the needle more than Mayock did in that regard. His scouting/analysis is clearly more respected, despite Mayock ironically now having advanced farther up that career ladder than DJ ever did. Still crazy to me that he's an actual GM. Rough start to an out of nowhere career too, it's early but a couple of his most prized picks are looking like brutal miscalculations. 

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Great profile on Brevin Jordan, holy smokes. Probably goes higher than where we'd like to pick our lauded TE3/4 at(though with our FO you never know), but he's super young, athletic, versatile, and productive. Could step right into Hayden Hurst's old role, for those who believe that role was integral to our 2019 success.  

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3 hours ago, DreamKid said:

IIRC Grant turns 24 in November.

Had no idea he was that overaged. Kind of a bit more of a buzzkill there now. I suppose late 2nd/early 3rd makes sense based off of that. Though I still like his instincts and cerebral quality. Just a little harder to get behind giving a 28 year old safety a 5 year deal vs a 25 year old safety.

3 hours ago, DreamKid said:

Weren't you on the TCU guys early though DB? Have you pulled off on them?

I still like them. I believe I mentioned it in another post where I listed the guys I’d love to get within our top 100 picks. Both Washington and Moehrig are still there. Washington reminds me of Grant, only he’s the subcompact model while Grant is the sedan... to stick with the analogy Moehrig is the luxury vehicle... since he’s not possessed of the same physicality, but can comfortably play in that single high role as well.

I’m still waiting to find some tape on Caden Sterns, I’d really like to see if Texas just screwed the pooch with him or what because whenever you have a freshman highlight reel that’s 5 minutes long and filled with impact/splash plays that show athleticism, it’s weird for me how such a guy could decline so much in his second season if it’s not partly due to coaching. I have nothing to go off of, but I think maybe he could be a mid round steal, if developed and deployed to his strengths... I just have no idea what those strengths are.

So all in all, those are probably the 4 safeties I’d be interested in us selecting. Grant is certainly the most complete... though, given that he’s 2 years older than Washington and 1 1/2 years older than Moehrig, that certainly now makes sense.

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