scar988 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 11 hours ago, 40Year Pack Fan said: Part of it was...If he hadn't been sacked late in the game, thus taking his team out of FG range, we very well wouldn't be having this discussion.... https://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/9/14522738/falcons-lost-super-bowl-patriots-matt-ryan-sack-run-the-dang-ball That sack wasn't on him. And don't ever think it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Year Pack Fan Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, scar988 said: That sack wasn't on him. And don't ever think it was. Than there are a lot of people who are wrong.....Even the sportscasters commented that was a worse case scenario for Ryan to take a sack.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 As a fan of the Vikings for the last 50 years, I've become very familiar with teams/players who just aren't going to get it done. Matt Ryan is a very good player, but I think he unfortunately, falls into this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 8 hours ago, 40Year Pack Fan said: Than there are a lot of people who are wrong.....Even the sportscasters commented that was a worse case scenario for Ryan to take a sack.... The sack wasn't his fault, though. Devonta Freeman missed the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Pre Mahomes? Yes. Post Mahomes? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Prolly not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, scar988 said: The sack wasn't his fault, though. Devonta Freeman missed the block. I think you and he are talking about different plays. You're talking about the Hightower strip sack earlier in the game but he's talking about the Trey Flowers sack on 2nd and 11 with about 4 minutes left. Took them from the 22-yard-line to the 34-yard-line. Was definitely a play where Ryan should have gotten rid of it. But it was also a play where they should have been running it. Edited July 18, 2020 by childofpudding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tetsujin said: Prolly not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, childofpudding said: I think you and he are talking about different plays. You're talking about the Hightower strip sack earlier in the game but he's talking about the Trey Flowers sack on 2nd and 11 with about 4 minutes left. Took them from the 22-yard-line to the 34-yard-line. Was definitely a play where Ryan should have gotten rid of it. But it was also a play where they should have been running it. That still didn't end it for us as the very next play after that sack Ryan hit Sanu for like 10 put us right back in FG range from where we was before the sack. Jake matthews on the Sanu catch play decided to put someone in a fricken chokehold. Which then put us back even further on like a 3rd and 33 at the 45. Which means we had to throw again because at that point we were out of FG range. So not only once on the Ryan Julio crazy catch did Ryan get us in FG range but twice with Sanu after the sack put us back in FG range. On the Sack and on the Hold our O-line failed us in that Superbowl. Ryan nor the recievers should ever be blamed for that loss they were amazing in that game. All the blame to me goes on Shanny, Freeman, and the O-line. I would say the defense but they had to cover 99 plays wtf were they supposed to do they were tired shanny could have saved the defense alot of snaps by running the ball and eating the clock up the entire 4th quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Year Pack Fan Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 12 hours ago, childofpudding said: I think you and he are talking about different plays. You're talking about the Hightower strip sack earlier in the game but he's talking about the Trey Flowers sack on 2nd and 11 with about 4 minutes left. Took them from the 22-yard-line to the 34-yard-line. Was definitely a play where Ryan should have gotten rid of it. But it was also a play where they should have been running it. Yep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonKennedy Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 2020-07-15 at 8:58 PM, VanS said: Eli, Stafford, and Rivers aren't Hall of Famers. Flacco has zero case so I don't know why you mentioned him. Big Ben is a borderline case. Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are the only locks on that list. Big Ben a borderline case? He's an iconic QB with the numbers and the postseason success to back it up. Even if his play has gone down in recent years he's still the golden standard when it comes to QB's that are impossible to bring down in the pocket. If a guy like Rodgers gets in he absolutely deserves to as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 10:31 AM, scar988 said: Matt Ryan is a future Hall of Famer. Only if on the off chance he wins a Super Bowl, which I don't see. The window is closed. Matt Ryan is not a Hall of Famer, outside of 2016 he was never even considered a possibility of a top 5 QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 8:58 PM, VanS said: Eli, Stafford, and Rivers aren't Hall of Famers. Flacco has zero case so I don't know why you mentioned him. Big Ben is a borderline case. Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are the only locks on that list. Ben is a hall of famer. Multiple Super Bowls for a storied franchise and pretty good (not out of this world) stats. Peyton Brady Brees Rodgers Wilson Roethlisberger All players who I'd consider Ryan's "contemporaries" that make it in long before he even gets consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 10:31 AM, scar988 said: Matt Ryan is a future Hall of Famer. I don't think he is. And no, I don't think the team around him is good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Can we flip this around and ask: Who are the best QBs that are NOT in the HOF right now ? In the NFL, QBs are overdrafted, over-valued and overpaid. I'm guessing that trend holds true in the HOF too. Here's a link to Career AV from Pro Football Reference. Its a reasonably acceptable metric for rating players. Scroll down the list and you can see the QBs ( by the AV metric) who aren't in the HOF yet. All these QBs lower than Ryan are done playing, so they won't be adding to their total ptshttps://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/av_career.htm Assuming: Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers get in - here's the next set of guys, in order Phillip Rivers Rothlisberger Matt Ryan Eli Manning Ken Anderson John Hadl Carson Palmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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