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Hopefully that doesn't extend to 2021. I think I'm going back to Minnesota for a game next season.

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1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

Think this is a little extreme. It'll be no different than a business, if you don't have a mask on when you're not at your seat, you should be asked to leave, if you refuse to leave, the local law enforcement will help you with that. We're not talking rocket science here people. I saw a guy get kicked out of Lambeau for verbally blasting the beer guy for not carrying Bud products, they have no problems escorting you out of an NFL stadium, plenty of capable hands.

Where is the line? Are there concessions? Beer? Are you allowed to eat? If you have a beer do you have to remask between sips? It's not rocket science, no, but it also isnt as simple as you make it. Most of the people who will attend games in this environment are likely anti-mask. I will be interested to see how many get kicked out and whether or not there will be enough staff/police presence to really enforce this. I have a feeling there will be more rule breakers than staff and/or police can handle. 

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16 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

Do you guys think owners have a gun to our heads forcing us to go? Ha.

Packers ticket holders got the option to opt in or opt out without any penalty. I opted in, hope I get tickets.

Freedom of choice 👌☝️👍

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14 minutes ago, Deadpulse said:

Where is the line? Are there concessions? Beer? Are you allowed to eat? If you have a beer do you have to remask between sips? It's not rocket science, no, but it also isnt as simple as you make it. Most of the people who will attend games in this environment are likely anti-mask. I will be interested to see how many get kicked out and whether or not there will be enough staff/police presence to really enforce this. I have a feeling there will be more rule breakers than staff and/or police can handle. 

Well in a stadium of 80k like Lambeau and only 10k in attendance you won't be sitting around anyone. If you're at your seat you don't need the mask, once you stand up to leave it, you must wear it, that simple. 

Anti mask crowd shouldn't buy tickets, if they do and get kicked out of a game for refusing to wear one, we should all just point and laugh.

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26 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Well in a stadium of 80k like Lambeau and only 10k in attendance you won't be sitting around anyone. If you're at your seat you don't need the mask, once you stand up to leave it, you must wear it, that simple. 

Anti mask crowd shouldn't buy tickets, if they do and get kicked out of a game for refusing to wear one, we should all just point and laugh.

Anti-mask people are not logical people just by virtue of being anti-mask, so there is that. However, it is likely they will have to be masked up the entire visit to the stadium. 

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14 minutes ago, Deadpulse said:

Anti-mask people are not logical people just by virtue of being anti-mask, so there is that. However, it is likely they will have to be masked up the entire visit to the stadium. 

We'll see, I doubt they'll have people walking around the bowls of stadiums to enforce it as you're just adding people in closer contact and that's the whole thing they're trying to prevent, also when you're not within 6 feet of anyone there's no reason to be wearing one.

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8 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

also when you're not within 6 feet of anyone there's no reason to be wearing one.

you familiar with the concept of minimum safe distance? A common misconception is that 6 feet is some tried and true rule that means you are safe at that distance. It is a minimum and isnt 100% effective by any means. Neither is wearing a mask for that matter, studies show masks are about 82% effective. Much better than zero but still. Mask + 6ft probably ups that 82% to like 97% but one without the other is less. 6 feet in particular is not 100% effective. A sneeze can travel MUCH farther than six feet for instance, up to 26 feet. So if someone isnt wearing a mask and sneezes 6 feet means pretty much nothing. 

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2 minutes ago, Deadpulse said:

you familiar with the concept of minimum safe distance? A common misconception is that 6 feet is some tried and true rule that means you are safe at that distance. It is a minimum and isnt 100% effective by any means. Neither is wearing a mask for that matter, studies show masks are about 82% effective. Much better than zero but still. Mask + 6ft probably ups that 82% to like 97% but one without the other is less. 6 feet in particular is not 100% effective. A sneeze can travel MUCH farther than six feet for instance, up to 26 feet. So if someone isnt wearing a mask and sneezes 6 feet means pretty much nothing. 

We're talking absolute minimal risk percentages here. I'm not sure any league is going to be overly concerned about these type of minute risks because as you said, you open up an entire gray area of eating and drinking and so forth. 

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2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

We're talking absolute minimal risk percentages here. I'm not sure any league is going to be overly concerned about these type of minute risks because as you said, you open up an entire gray area of eating and drinking and so forth. 

I mean it is pretty obvious the league doesnt care about risk in general otherwise they wouldnt allow fans in the stands same as pretty much every other major US based sports league. 

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18 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

We cancel sports and beg to be locked up for our safety? I'm good, I'll enjoy my life still in a safe and respectful way.

Play without fans. Empty seats. What's wrong with that?

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Honestly, I don't think it will be that hard for teams to come up with a plan to relatively safely have some percentage of fans in the stands. I think implementation and enforcement will be literally impossible, though. People will take off their masks. People will wander. People won't distance properly at lines. All the same problems that currently exist in retail stores with 50 - 100 people in them "safely" will just be magnified with stadiums with 10k people in them Adding copious amounts of alcohol into the mix will not help either. If we were a country full of people that knew how and when to follow instructions, I'd be more confident in it.

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23 hours ago, Shanedorf said:

This is the gaping hole in the fan plan.
Fans will wear a mask to enter, but after that - there's really no way to police it.
During the game, some fans will de-mask; others will complain about that de-masking and fights will ensue. Taking the current battle from the streets into the stadium will make for good TV and then add a little kneeling/ anti-kneeling animosity + alcohol...what could possibly go wrong ?

 

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Exactly what I was thinking. As 50% of a couple who have taken on the depressing challenge of doing everything we can for own health and the greater good of the country we live in - I can tell you that seeing people not give a hoot is more than a little annoying! There is no way to police this and plonkers exist everywhere. There is going to be a number of incidents at least and it shall be appended to an already split action in pre game kneeling during the National Anthem. Thankfully the game boasts a fantastic in crowd fan relationship where everybody mixes and generally behaves, there is a reason soccer games have not allowed fans in yet. holy cow.

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I'm sure the types of people who can't follow simple mask/distancing rules plus alcohol will be just fine.  

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23 hours ago, Deadpulse said:

Anti-mask people are not logical people just by virtue of being anti-mask, so there is that. However, it is likely they will have to be masked up the entire visit to the stadium. 

Some of us anti-mask people are anti-mask due to a medical condition (though I'm sure I'm in the minority of that group).  I would actually wear one if I were able. Now I either get to become a hermit or have people look at me like I'm the anti-christ... it's not super fun... 

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I went to a Jaguars game last year...the heat index on the field was about 120 degrees. As a guy who wears a mask at work on a regular basis, I couldn't imagine how miserable it would be to wear a mask for 3-4 hours in that type of heat. But I imagine that it would probably be one of the most miserable experiences imaginable. It's completely impractical. There is zero chance that there would be any respectable level of compliance. Either let people into the stands with the RECOMMENDATION to wear masks...or don't let people into the stands. 

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