winitall Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 I'm going to tag @JaguarCrazy2832, @HvacRaider, and @Lionized on this since you guys seem to be the most against increasing the number of keepers. Do any of you guys feel like you can't find 12 or 13 worthy keepers on your roster? I perused the rosters for the 5 lowest finishers from last season and I didn't see any rosters where I would really struggle to find 12 or 13 guys. I feel like there were more rosters where I would want to keep 14 or 15 than there were that I could only get to say 11 or 12. I also am of the view that more keepers could help increase parity, rather than hurt it. A team with less talent can keep more developing guys and hope that one hits versus basically playing the rookie lottery every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, winitall said: I'm going to tag @JaguarCrazy2832, @HvacRaider, and @Lionized on this since you guys seem to be the most against increasing the number of keepers. Do any of you guys feel like you can't find 12 or 13 worthy keepers on your roster? I perused the rosters for the 5 lowest finishers from last season and I didn't see any rosters where I would really struggle to find 12 or 13 guys. I feel like there were more rosters where I would want to keep 14 or 15 than there were that I could only get to say 11 or 12. I also am of the view that more keepers could help increase parity, rather than hurt it. A team with less talent can keep more developing guys and hope that one hits versus basically playing the rookie lottery every year. I feel that fewer keepers would create more roster turn over, rather than more keepers and larger roster space. I also, feel that there may be more transactions with roster movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, HvacRaider said: Keepers @12 is hard enough for the teams that have less talent.. the ones with the talent stay the best teams. But if anything id say drop it to 10 keepers put some talent back into the draft. 1 hour ago, Lionized said: I would agree with this more than adding. 17 minutes ago, winitall said: I'm going to tag @JaguarCrazy2832, @HvacRaider, and @Lionized on this since you guys seem to be the most against increasing the number of keepers. Do any of you guys feel like you can't find 12 or 13 worthy keepers on your roster? I perused the rosters for the 5 lowest finishers from last season and I didn't see any rosters where I would really struggle to find 12 or 13 guys. I feel like there were more rosters where I would want to keep 14 or 15 than there were that I could only get to say 11 or 12. I also am of the view that more keepers could help increase parity, rather than hurt it. A team with less talent can keep more developing guys and hope that one hits versus basically playing the rookie lottery every year. Based on the current rosters, I am also not seeing any teams that would struggle to find 12 or more keepers. I would take a lot of teams QB and TE situation over my own teams situation 20 20 20 20 19 18 19 20 20 20 Winitall HvacRaider squire12 Jcrell623 persiandud Lionized nagahide Big Bear Oregon Ducks Jaguar Winitall California tinknockers Gremlins Snacks JC TBD Show Me Detriot Trash Pandas PDX License to Khalil OD Team Johnson QB Jared Goff Matt Ryan Dak Prescott Russell Wilson Ryan Tannehill Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Kyle Allen Aaron Rodgers Kyler Murray Sam Darnold Patrick Mahomes Jameis Winston Deshaun Watson Drew Lock Matthew Stafford Drew Brees Carson Wentz Kirk Cousins Tom Brady Dwayne Haskins Jr. Mitchell Trubisky Jacoby Brissett Gardner Minshew II Daniel Jones Jimmy Garoppolo Philip Rivers Baker Mayfield Derek Carr Ben Roethlisberger Cam Newton RB Christian McCaffrey Kenyan Drake Austin Ekeler James Conner Nick Chubb Chris Carson Alvin Kamara David Montgomery Ezekiel Elliott Leonard Fournette Derrick Henry Melvin Gordon Miles Sanders Devin Singletary Aaron Jones Carlos Hyde Le'Veon Bell Kareem Hunt Phillip Lindsay Josh Jacobs Ronald Jones II Todd Gurley II Raheem Mostert Duke Johnson Marlon Mack James White Tarik Cohen Saquon Barkley Darwin Thompson Rashaad Penny Mark Ingram II Damien Williams Derrius Guice Kerryon Johnson Tevin Coleman Joe Mixon LeSean McCoy Sony Michel Justice Hill Alexander Mattison Royce Freeman Dalvin Cook Devonta Freeman DeAndre Washington David Johnson Jonathan Williams Latavius Murray Kalen Ballage Jordan Howard Mike Boone Adrian Peterson Matt Breida Jamaal Williams Lamar Miller WR Larry Fitzgerald Tyler Boyd Mike Evans Stefon Diggs Keenan Allen Michael Thomas Dede Westbrook Julian Edelman Terry McLaurin Emmanuel Sanders DeAndre Hopkins Breshad Perriman Tyler Lockett Allen Robinson II Odell Beckham Jr. DK Metcalf Robert Woods Tyreek Hill Jarvis Landry Julio Jones Mecole Hardman Sammy Watkins Amari Cooper Courtland Sutton Chris Godwin Golden Tate DeVante Parker DJ Moore Michael Gallup Davante Adams JuJu Smith-Schuster Brandin Cooks Kenny Golladay Jamison Crowder T.Y. Hilton Phillip Dorsett II Adam Thielen James Washington Sterling Shepard Cole Beasley Cooper Kupp Marquise Brown Deebo Samuel Darius Slayton John Brown Mike Williams Will Fuller V DeSean Jackson Christian Kirk A.J. Green A.J. Brown DJ Chark Jr. Curtis Samuel Tyrell Williams Robby Anderson N'Keal Harry John Ross III Preston Williams Anthony Miller Parris Campbell Josh Gordon Alshon Jeffery Diontae Johnson Taylor Gabriel Marvin Jones Jr. Antonio Brown Corey Davis Calvin Ridley TE Noah Fant Darren Waller Ian Thomas Mark Andrews Travis Kelce Zach Ertz David Njoku Dallas Goedert Austin Hooper Evan Engram George Kittle T.J. Hockenson Tyler Higbee Hunter Henry Mike Gesicki Gerald Everett Kyle Rudolph Jack Doyle O.J. Howard Greg Olsen Ross Travis Jared Cook Jimmy Graham Ryan Griffin Will Dissly D Patriots D/ST Raiders D/ST Broncos D/ST Ravens D/ST Saints D/ST Jaguars D/ST Steelers D/ST Bears D/ST Seahawks D/ST 49ers D/ST K Harrison Butker Wil Lutz Justin Tucker Josh Lambo Matt Prater Robbie Gould Greg Zuerlein Younghoe Koo Stephen Gostkowski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lionized said: I feel that fewer keepers would create more roster turn over, rather than more keepers and larger roster space. I also, feel that there may be more transactions with roster movement. Roster turnover via the draft or via trading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, squire12 said: Based on the current rosters, I am also not seeing any teams that would struggle to find 12 or more keepers. I would take a lot of teams QB and TE situation over my own teams situation 20 20 20 20 19 18 19 20 20 20 Winitall HvacRaider squire12 Jcrell623 persiandud Lionized nagahide Big Bear Oregon Ducks Jaguar Winitall California tinknockers Gremlins Snacks JC TBD Show Me Detriot Trash Pandas PDX License to Khalil OD Team Johnson QB Jared Goff Matt Ryan Dak Prescott Russell Wilson Ryan Tannehill Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Kyle Allen Aaron Rodgers Kyler Murray Sam Darnold Patrick Mahomes Jameis Winston Deshaun Watson Drew Lock Matthew Stafford Drew Brees Carson Wentz Kirk Cousins Tom Brady Dwayne Haskins Jr. Mitchell Trubisky Jacoby Brissett Gardner Minshew II Daniel Jones Jimmy Garoppolo Philip Rivers Baker Mayfield Derek Carr Ben Roethlisberger Cam Newton RB Christian McCaffrey Kenyan Drake Austin Ekeler James Conner Nick Chubb Chris Carson Alvin Kamara David Montgomery Ezekiel Elliott Leonard Fournette Derrick Henry Melvin Gordon Miles Sanders Devin Singletary Aaron Jones Carlos Hyde Le'Veon Bell Kareem Hunt Phillip Lindsay Josh Jacobs Ronald Jones II Todd Gurley II Raheem Mostert Duke Johnson Marlon Mack James White Tarik Cohen Saquon Barkley Darwin Thompson Rashaad Penny Mark Ingram II Damien Williams Derrius Guice Kerryon Johnson Tevin Coleman Joe Mixon LeSean McCoy Sony Michel Justice Hill Alexander Mattison Royce Freeman Dalvin Cook Devonta Freeman DeAndre Washington David Johnson Jonathan Williams Latavius Murray Kalen Ballage Jordan Howard Mike Boone Adrian Peterson Matt Breida Jamaal Williams Lamar Miller WR Larry Fitzgerald Tyler Boyd Mike Evans Stefon Diggs Keenan Allen Michael Thomas Dede Westbrook Julian Edelman Terry McLaurin Emmanuel Sanders DeAndre Hopkins Breshad Perriman Tyler Lockett Allen Robinson II Odell Beckham Jr. DK Metcalf Robert Woods Tyreek Hill Jarvis Landry Julio Jones Mecole Hardman Sammy Watkins Amari Cooper Courtland Sutton Chris Godwin Golden Tate DeVante Parker DJ Moore Michael Gallup Davante Adams JuJu Smith-Schuster Brandin Cooks Kenny Golladay Jamison Crowder T.Y. Hilton Phillip Dorsett II Adam Thielen James Washington Sterling Shepard Cole Beasley Cooper Kupp Marquise Brown Deebo Samuel Darius Slayton John Brown Mike Williams Will Fuller V DeSean Jackson Christian Kirk A.J. Green A.J. Brown DJ Chark Jr. Curtis Samuel Tyrell Williams Robby Anderson N'Keal Harry John Ross III Preston Williams Anthony Miller Parris Campbell Josh Gordon Alshon Jeffery Diontae Johnson Taylor Gabriel Marvin Jones Jr. Antonio Brown Corey Davis Calvin Ridley TE Noah Fant Darren Waller Ian Thomas Mark Andrews Travis Kelce Zach Ertz David Njoku Dallas Goedert Austin Hooper Evan Engram George Kittle T.J. Hockenson Tyler Higbee Hunter Henry Mike Gesicki Gerald Everett Kyle Rudolph Jack Doyle O.J. Howard Greg Olsen Ross Travis Jared Cook Jimmy Graham Ryan Griffin Will Dissly D Patriots D/ST Raiders D/ST Broncos D/ST Ravens D/ST Saints D/ST Jaguars D/ST Steelers D/ST Bears D/ST Seahawks D/ST 49ers D/ST K Harrison Butker Wil Lutz Justin Tucker Josh Lambo Matt Prater Robbie Gould Greg Zuerlein Younghoe Koo Stephen Gostkowski I know I wouldn’t have an issue with my team with keeping 12 players. It’s easy to have 12 keepers when it’s only a ten team league. The issue is with roster turnover. I think the league could become stagnant from players not moving from team to team via good vets leaving to the draft and trades. I think the main goal of this conversation is to come together with a resolution on how this league could be more active. Which is a concern @winitall mentioned a while back. Edited July 25, 2020 by Lionized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Having less keepers creates more parity. Imagine a playoff caliber team only being able to keep half their players, lesser teams will be able to drop lesser players they had all last year and pick up players that were better(not kept from the better teams) than they had in those spots last year I just dont see the point in changing any previously set rules in any non-redraft league 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lionized said: I know I wouldn’t have an issue with my team with keeping 12 players. It’s easy to have 12 keepers when it’s only a ten team league. The issue is with roster turnover. I think the league could become stagnant from players not moving from team to team via good vets leaving to the draft and trades. Are we looking for roster turnover like a re-draft league?? The issue is that with so few roster spots there is effectively 0 trades that happen with so many good players on waivers each week. Reducing the keepers is pushing things more toward redraft 5 minutes ago, Lionized said: I think the main goal of this conversation is to come together with a resolution on how this league could be more active. Which is a concern @winitall mentioned a while back. more active with trading, not a big rookie + veteran draft each off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Having less keepers creates more parity. Imagine a playoff caliber team only being able to keep half their players, lesser teams will be able to drop lesser players they had all last year and pick up players that were better(not kept from the better teams) than they had in those spots last year I just dont see the point in changing any previously set rules in any non-redraft league Sure, but if you are looking for year to year parity, then re-draft is what it seems to be desired. The term dynasty is a goal of trying to create a team that can win multiple titles in a short few years. Having to drop 1/2 your players from that roster is counter to a dynasty league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, squire12 said: Sure, but if you are looking for year to year parity, then re-draft is what it seems to be desired. The term dynasty is a goal of trying to create a team that can win multiple titles in a short few years. Having to drop 1/2 your players from that roster is counter to a dynasty league. True I'm just making the point that making teams keep a larger # of players hurts lesser teams moreso than good ones. I agree that the whole point of a dynasty is to keep building on last years success but the point is changing the rules after drafting isn't the right way of doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvacRaider Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I dont think a redraft is the answer. But i think at 10 keepers would place 20 good players into the draft.. it would allow people to add better players via draft, it would make trades of draft capital actually interesting, waivers would need to be warched closer since you have a roster spot for that upcoming RB, But if we stay at 12 that is also good with me. I am 100% against deletion of K and Defenses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvacRaider Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: I agree that the whole point of a dynasty is to keep building on last years success but the point is changing the rules after drafting isn't the right way of doing it 1000% true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) In other news, I'm willing to trade down from 1.2 if the price is right Edited July 25, 2020 by JaguarCrazy2832 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, HvacRaider said: I dont think a redraft is the answer. But i think at 10 keepers would place 20 good players into the draft.. it would allow people to add better players via draft, it would make trades of draft capital actually interesting, waivers would need to be warched closer since you have a roster spot for that upcoming RB, But if we stay at 12 that is also good with me. I am 100% against deletion of K and Defenses Agreed, I dont want a re-draft either. And despite saying everyone keeping fewer players helps lesser teams, I still maintain I dont want that to happen either. Keep everything the way we left it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvacRaider Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 minute ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: In other news, I'm willing to trade down for 1.2 if the price is right Hell id rather trade out of the 1st round.... any takers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: True I'm just making the point that making teams keep a larger # of players hurts lesser teams moreso than good ones. I agree that the whole point of a dynasty is to keep building on last years success but the point is changing the rules after drafting isn't the right way of doing it there are 5 new owners. the original rules might be looked at differently by those that are now managing teams. Every good league that I have been apart of goes through a rules change discussion each offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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