Forge Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, N4L said: I also think he's too tall I mean, once Hurd went out and my dream of the 13 foot combined backfield went out the door, I was out on trying him at FB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Forge said: I mean, once Hurd went out and my dream of the 13 foot combined backfield went out the door, I was out on trying him at FB. Would have been like the million dollar backfield, except taller 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Jimmy G came in at 15th in PFF's QB rankings heading into the season. Seems fair. Should at least switch places with Derek Carr though. Quote 15. JIMMY GAROPPOLO, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS Few quarterbacks in the league have a better situation around them than Jimmy Garoppolo working within Kyle Shanahan’s offense. He has shown stretches of elite play but hasn’t become the player many expected him to be when the 49ers traded for him to be the leader of this offense. Garoppolo isn’t just a product of the offense, however, and some of his best PFF game grades have come in games where he was expected to do more than just manage the offense. If he could cut down on the inexplicable errors in his game (18 turnover-worthy plays in 2019), he would look more like the player many expected him to be based on the early flashes of potential. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-monson-ranking-all-32-starting-quarterbacks-ahead-of-the-2020-nfl-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 PFF also projected the 49ers offense 9th in their rankings heading into the season. Seems fair given the injuries. Quote 8. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS Kyle Shanahan has transformed this offense into a superpower. A season ago, the 49ers produced the seventh-most-efficient offense in terms of EPA per play and caused headaches for the opposition through heavy motion and play-action usage. Quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo posted the seventh-lowest rate of uncatchable throws in the NFL last season, which helped him produce the 13th-best passing grade in regular-season play. He still struggles to see linebackers and makes too many bad decisions over the middle of the field, but make no mistake, San Francisco can win with Garoppolo at the helm. The receiving unit's shining star is none other than tight end George Kittle, who is coming off a 95.0 PFF grade that ranked first at his position. In today's NFL, you need a tight end with elite after-the-catch ability, and Kittle has that in spades. Unfortunately, for the Niners and football fans alike, a series of injuries have hit this wide receiver unit, likely hurting them in the first few weeks of the year. Firstly, Deebo Samuel's status for Week 1 is currently up in the air as he nurses a broken foot, though he isn't expected to miss a significant amount of time. The second-year receiver ranked second in yards after the catch per reception (8.5) and tied for first in broken tackles (18) last year, so the team will be hoping that he can return to the starting lineup sooner rather than later. Brandon Aiyuk's status for Week 1 is also unknown after he tweaked his hamstring in training camp. Like Samuel, he isn't expected to miss that much time. Aiyuk averaged 10.9 yards after the catch per reception in 2019, so he should be an explosive weapon for this passing attack once he gets on the field. As for the rushing attack, it doesn't matter if it's Raheem Mostert, Tevin Coleman or anyone else carrying the ball — Shanahan's system will lead to plus production. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-rankings-ranking-all-32-offenses-ahead-of-the-2020-nfl-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Our receivers are looking really, really rough. And that was before Samus got hurt. I'm not even sure he was ready to be the main guy. I would have liked another year of Sanders on the team. If Aiyuk is something that would be a bonus. Everyone else is either average to bad, or unknown since they've just been injured in their career. Looks like a bottom 5 unit to me as it stands though. Thank goodness for Kittle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 @TecmoSuperJoe We clearly couldn't afford Sanders with the other holes we had to fill, mainly LT. Just wasn't feasible unless we didn't trade for Williams, as drafting Wirfs was basically the only way we could have saved enough money to pay him. (Could have not paid armstead, ward or kittle, but I will take all three of those guys over Sanders 1000 times out of 1000) The trade for Williams allowed us to select Javon kinlaw. Would you rather have Sanders or all pro Trent Williams AND a very talented rookie? Easy choice for me Sanders was great here for what he was. His mentorship of deebo alone made that trade worth it. With that being said, it's not like he put up huge numbers here. He only had 100 yards twice and never had double digit targets. The timing he had with Garoppolo on Halloween was incredible, but there would be long stretches after that where Jimmy wouldn't look his way. So, my point is that he was a solid contributor, consumate pro, but not someone we should lose any sleep over losing right now. You are underselling our WRs. I am a huge Trent Taylor fan. He is going to kill it this year if he can stay healthy. Bourne is a very solid player. Deebo is amazing and I can't believe you are skeptical of him for any reason other than his injury. He just flat out makes plays. He really refined his game as the year went on. The dude is an absolute DOG with the ball in his hands. (I also expect less drops this year) I really think you are underestimating aiyuk. Everything I have seen from him shows me he can be productive from day one, assuming health. I mean, Dante friggen Pettis made some nice plays the first few games of his career in this offense. The dude has legit #1 WR upside. I am very confident in our ability to use him on quick slants and deep crossers. We are going to get him the ball early in the season, you better believe it. There might be some growing pains, sure. You aren't taking into account the shanahan effect either, these guys are going to get schemed open, and our 1-2-3 punch with the YAC BROS (kittle, deebo, aiyuk) will drive a lot of secondaries nuts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Forge said: Even still, listen to his wording: "We've got a salary cap". Not "the league has a cap" or "we don't have cap room" or anything like that. In fact, last I heard, we have like 8 million in space this year, which is not "up against it". I mean, not great, but not a problem. I think it's entirely possible that they are being restricted by ownership and have their own internal max budget, which totally makes sense given the situation I didn't hear him say it, so if anyone has the link to the clip that would be great, but I am 100% with you on this one. Ownership has dictated some spending. Levi's is a complete cash cow for the York's. Let's remember they are not independently wealthy outside of this team. These are the same people that hosted concerts DURING the season where people would tear up the grass. This didn't stop until Kyle was hired. That means it went on for 3 different head coaches. These are the same people that sued the city of Santa Clara to get their rent reduced, claiming the city made more money in taxes than anticipated... Which means they also made more money than anticipated, given that taxes are derived from revenue. They haven't been shy to this point, but let's not forget that all guaranteed money in the NFL has to go immediately into an escrow account. Our contract structure typically has rolling guarantees, which means they are not required to put large sums into escrow years before the player gets paid, they do it yearly. Kittle was basically the first player in YEARS that we have signed that had actual, real guaranteed money inline with how the majority of the NFL structures contracts. So I am very confident in saying that the York's do not want to spend anything more than they already have this year, which has been enough to make every single move that we needed to make, basically. It's very smart on our part to try and roll as much cap space as possible to next year. Also, has anyone ever heard any GM say they are out of *cash* even when referencing the cap? Usually they say *cap space*, but they never use the word cash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, N4L said: @TecmoSuperJoe We clearly couldn't afford Sanders with the other holes we had to fill, mainly LT. Just wasn't feasible unless we didn't trade for Williams, as drafting Wirfs was basically the only way we could have saved enough money to pay him. (Could have not paid armstead, ward or kittle, but I will take all three of those guys over Sanders 1000 times out of 1000) The trade for Williams allowed us to select Javon kinlaw. Would you rather have Sanders or all pro Trent Williams AND a very talented rookie? Easy choice for me Sanders was great here for what he was. His mentorship of deebo alone made that trade worth it. With that being said, it's not like he put up huge numbers here. He only had 100 yards twice and never had double digit targets. The timing he had with Garoppolo on Halloween was incredible, but there would be long stretches after that where Jimmy wouldn't look his way. So, my point is that he was a solid contributor, consumate pro, but not someone we should lose any sleep over losing right now. You are underselling our WRs. I am a huge Trent Taylor fan. He is going to kill it this year if he can stay healthy. Bourne is a very solid player. Deebo is amazing and I can't believe you are skeptical of him for any reason other than his injury. He just flat out makes plays. He really refined his game as the year went on. The dude is an absolute DOG with the ball in his hands. (I also expect less drops this year) I really think you are underestimating aiyuk. Everything I have seen from him shows me he can be productive from day one, assuming health. I mean, Dante friggen Pettis made some nice plays the first few games of his career in this offense. The dude has legit #1 WR upside. I am very confident in our ability to use him on quick slants and deep crossers. We are going to get him the ball early in the season, you better believe it. There might be some growing pains, sure. You aren't taking into account the shanahan effect either, these guys are going to get schemed open, and our 1-2-3 punch with the YAC BROS (kittle, deebo, aiyuk) will drive a lot of secondaries nuts I'd rather have Williams for help on the line. I know we couldn't pay Sanders. I said I would have liked another year of him. That shouldn't translate to "damn I wish we tried harder to retain him". It was wishful thinking, not damnation of the top brass. I know they're shackled. I don't think I'm underselling our WR unit at all. Trent Taylor has been hurt. That's been his story for 2 years. Bourne is average, not great, not terrible. Samus is good, but now hurt. Will he shine as the number one guy? Should with Shanahan's help, but it's still a question mark. Pettis is in my doghouse until he isn't. Aiyuk is a rookie who is now hurt. Shouldn't be nutty to be skeptical given the lack of consistency at WR heading into this year, along with a lot of inexperience, and injuries already rearing their ugly head. The squad is hurting right now in this area. That being said, I'm still excited. Just a ton of "if" marks. As for Sanders, I know he didn't put up huge numbers, but his presence after he came aboard was immediately apparent. He didn't put up huge numbers, but he got open, and caught passes when he got his number called. Edited September 4, 2020 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted September 4, 2020 Author Share Posted September 4, 2020 Good news that he won't be starting at least? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Good news that he won't be starting at least? From everything I read...he was just brutally bad lol. It was either Barrows or Lombardi who described him as the worst player on the field at TC. Just awful. So if he's going to stay a back up, its pretty much whatever. I am curious if that means Brunskill or McKivitz won the job though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 So I'm thinking: QB - Jimmy, Mullens, CJ (3) HB - Coleman, Mostert, Jet, Wilson (4) FB - Juice (1) WR - Deebo, Aiyuk, Pettis, Bourne, Taylor, Richie James (6) TE - Kittle, Reed, Dwelley, Woerner (4) OL - Garland, Williams, McG, Tomlinson, Compton, McKivitz, Skule, Brunskill (8) DL - Bosa, AA, Ford, Kinlaw, Jones, Solly, Givens, Street, Hyder, Blair (10) LB - Warner, Al-Shaair, Greenlaw, Kwon, Walker (5) CB - Verrett, Sherm, Moseley, Spoon, Williams (5) S - Cyprien, Tartt, Ward, Moore (4) Specialists (3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 If I had to guess, I would say brunskill at G and mckivitz at C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John232 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Forge said: So I'm thinking: QB - Jimmy, Mullens, CJ (3) HB - Coleman, Mostert, Jet, Wilson (4) FB - Juice (1) WR - Deebo, Aiyuk, Pettis, Bourne, Taylor, Richie James (6) TE - Kittle, Reed, Dwelley, Woerner (4) OL - Garland, Williams, McG, Tomlinson, Compton, McKivitz, Skule, Brunskill (8) DL - Bosa, AA, Ford, Kinlaw, Jones, Solly, Givens, Street, Hyder, Blair (10) LB - Warner, Al-Shaair, Greenlaw, Kwon, Walker (5) CB - Verrett, Sherm, Moseley, Spoon, Williams (5) S - Cyprien, Harris, Ward, Moore (4) Specialists (3) did something happen to Tartt? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, John232 said: did something happen to Tartt? Sorry, should have been Tartt instead of Harris lol. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted September 4, 2020 Author Share Posted September 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, Forge said: From everything I read...he was just brutally bad lol. It was either Barrows or Lombardi who described him as the worst player on the field at TC. Just awful. So if he's going to stay a back up, its pretty much whatever. I am curious if that means Brunskill or McKivitz won the job though. 100% Brunskill. Now, if Garland can't go week one, then who gets the start at RG, McKvitz or Compton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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