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TheRealMcCoy

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2 minutes ago, FinSting said:

HogFins potential:

LT: rookie Austin Jackson, 6'6" 325 lbs

LG: Ereck Flowers, 6'6" 339 lbs

Center: Ted Karras, 6'4" 314 lbs (flyweight)

RG: rookie Solomon Kindley, 6'4" 339 lbs

RT: rookie Robert Hunt, 6'6", 323 lbs

Tua is gonna get killed. Isn't he?

Edit: As a USC fan I hope Jackson is doing well in camp though.

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2 most impressive young guys on the Giants so far in camp also impressed mightily in their scrimmage today. 

Darnay Holmes, 4th round rookie corner out of UCLA, has been impressive since he was drafted with his combination of insane quickness, work ethic, and intelligence. He has been showing up so far and put a stamp on that today with a super impressive, diving interception of a Daniel Jones pass over Golden Tate. I think we have something with him. He's got a super high floor and a super high ceiling. A guy with his work ethic and physical ability cannot be a bad player, and he has the potential to be a great player. 

On offense, the most impressive guy so far has been 2nd year WR David Sills. He's beaten every CB so far on a variety of routes. He's making the most of his opportunities, but it is going to take ST acumen to make the team as a WR this year. Slayton, Shep, and Tate have 3 of the spots locked up already, and Corey Coleman has been looking good as well. So has former UDFA Alex Bachman, who had a lot of college experience as a great ST gunner. He has an odd man out of the LA Rams crowded WR room, but he has a chance here. In all honesty, I think Bachman and Sills fight it out for the 5th WR spot. 

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On 8/19/2020 at 6:24 PM, AkronsWitness said:

On no planet does Amari Cooper, Kenny Galloday, Allen Robinson or Keenan Allen have a case over Courtland Sutton.

Actually, on current "What have you done for me lately?" (you know, that actual thing called production as opposed to promise), yes, absolutely Keenan Allen has a clear case over Courtland Sutton.  So does Allen Robinson (who put up better numbers than Sutton has to this point (like legitimately blew them out of the water) with Blake Bortles as his QB.  In Allen's case, he'll likely tail off some this season because his QB situation is middling-at-best and he's already in a run-heavy scheme.  But WR skills is more than just measurements and underwear olympics.

One of these days people are going to grasp the concept that what puts a guy into that upper tier ("Top  5") isn't just a single season's production/performance, it's doing it consistently season-to-season.  Till a guy does that, he doesn't have a remotely clear case to be considered on the level of the guys who do.

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On 8/20/2020 at 7:23 AM, candyman93 said:

I’ve read good things about Donovan Peoples Jones. However, our star rookie has been Harrison Bryant by far. He’s not dropping passes at all.

 

It makes me think Njoku is getting traded soon. 

To quote myself again:

 

Harrison Bryant:
I'm not worried about his size at all. If you like him, you go based off of his tape and what he demonstrated in Pre-Draft workouts, not his measurables.

He abused people in the run game and in pass pro at the Senior Bowl, and reportedly did the same in practices. He did that a lot at FAU, but there were concerns about the level of competition.

As far as his receiving ability goes, he's one of the most natural receivers in this class, regardless of position. He CONSTANTLY finds soft spots in the zone and tempos his routes excellently through zone coverage with almost a sixth sense of where defenders are in their drops or if they're breaking on him, even if they're behind him. His contact balance is excellent. He repeatedly doesn't get knocked down by contact, even when players come flying in and smash into him, and he forces defenders to drag him down every time he has the ball. He's excellent at tracking the ball, and has an uncanny level of awareness where it's almost like he can see the future. I guess the closest player I can compare that to is like with Cooper Kupp where it's almost like he knows exactly what Goff is doing, where the other receivers are, and where Goff is going with the football before he throws it. This enables guys like Bryant and Kupp to be in position when the play breaks down, when other players fumble, or if a pass deflects off of someone's hands (I'm thinking of Kupp's legendary touchdown in like his first game where the ball bounced off of Woods' hands at the goal-line and Kupp made a sliding catch off the deflection for the TD. Also, Bryant doesn't get bothered by hands-y DBs. There are numerous times on his tape where he's getting interfered with and still makes the catch, almost as if the DB isn't there in the first place. I think this happened against Southern Miss, but on one play he was in the flat in the red-zone and a linebacker came HURTLING in to hit him before the ball even reached him... The dude bounced off and ended up needing to leave the game because he injured his shoulder. By the way, Bryant caught the ball and took it in for a TD. There was also this play, don't remember EXACTLY who it was against, maybe Marshall, but it reminded me of that Adrian Peterson run in the 2008 season where he dragged like six guys twenty yards, or the Gronk TD in 2014 that was basically the same thing. Harrison Bryant dragged like six defenders like ten yards and eventually there were like nine defenders who dragged him down. I don't care if these are small school guys with bad instincts and tackling problems, or smaller frames, or whatever. I don't care about Combine measurables. It takes INSANE lower body strength and excellent balance to take that many hits and continue dragging people. And it's not just that freak play. Bryant drags people and powers through contact all the time. It's all over his film. He has very soft hands and, like I said, he's a pro at tracking the ball. He's also not afraid of getting beaten up while making the catch. His RAC skills are really among the best in the class, and he really makes you work to get him down. He's fast enough to create separation. His hips are very fluid, as he pivots very well and fools safeties on his route with his ability to whip them around. He's not really a side-stepper with how he moves, he doesn't juke people out of their socks, and he's always running straight. That could play into his lack of an impressive 3-cone because he doesn't really side-step or move that way. However, he can change the way that he's facing so quickly that I don't really think it matters. It's hard to explain, but yeah, he has very fluid hips, and he knows how to make sure that he's always running straight while still changing direction. 

So let's talk about his body and get that out of the way. He's 6'5", and in the 240s, so while he's thin, he certainly has room for growth. He has t-rex arms at 30 inches, which were the shortest measured among TEs at the Combine. However, he hasn't been caught reaching very often in the blocking game thanks to constantly-moving feet, and in the passing game length has hardly been an issue, because he is constantly making a play on the ball and beating defenders to it, and he is great at boxing people out and keeping his large frame in the way. As far as his track speed in shorts goes, it's good, but not elite. He didn't look like someone who was natural coming out of the start for his 40, but that's entirely understandable with his frame and lack of track experience. This guy is a pure football player. He doesn't really lose any speed in pads. His 3-cone wasn't very good, but it's fair to point out that he looked INCREDIBLY SMOOOOOTH once the football drills started. His gauntlet was probably the best at the Combine. He tracked the football very quickly and made catches outside his frame. He also was like the best performer in the blocking sled drills, with a real noticeable pop and great timing overall with how quickly he moved that sled. That feeds into the reports that he was the most impressive TE in the blocking game at the Senior Bowl.

Harrison Bryant was the best TE of the draft class.

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7 minutes ago, ET80 said:

I thought you were a Saints fan?

Damn, you think you know a dude... 😆

Lol. I was born a Saints fan but I live in Jax during their inaugural season and have followed them closely since that time. It’s rare that both teams are good at the same time, so far it hasn’t been a been issue. :)

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