diamondbull424 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 hours ago, minutemancl said: Bryce Love is probably the 3rd best RB on that roster. I'd take AD and Gibson over him. Based off of what evidence? He was hurt in his final collegiate game. But based off of his college tape, especially the last time he was healthy, he was one of the best playmakers in all of college football, finishing second in Heisman voting. 2 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: I though were talking about 4th string RB's coming off Major Surgery? I'm confused. No we’re talking about a RB that has had a year to recover since his last surgery, someone who has now passed his physical; a back that only fell as far as he did because of injury concerns by the rest of the league. Depth chart? Love (injury redshirt) and Gibson are both in their first seasons participating in camp. Just like Hayden Hurst and Mark Andrews were rookies together. They will both be competing for the #2 back spot behind Peterson. The guy who wins that job will see plenty of opportunities in-game to earn touches away from Peterson. We saw that Kamara could exist as a top 10 back even when next to another top 15-20 back in Mark Ingram. My analysis of Bryce Love as a collegiate back has me high on his prospects to become a back on a similar level as his collegiate teammate CMC. Running ability reminds me of Jamal Charles, I believe a talent like that eventually shines past their situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, diamondbull424 said: Based off of what evidence? He was hurt in his final collegiate game. But based off of his college tape, especially the last time he was healthy, he was one of the best playmakers in all of college football, finishing second in Heisman voting. No we’re talking about a RB that has had a year to recover since his last surgery, someone who has now passed his physical; a back that only fell as far as he did because of injury concerns by the rest of the league. Depth chart? Love (injury redshirt) and Gibson are both in their first seasons participating in camp. Just like Hayden Hurst and Mark Andrews were rookies together. They will both be competing for the #2 back spot behind Peterson. The guy who wins that job will see plenty of opportunities in-game to earn touches away from Peterson. We saw that Kamara could exist as a top 10 back even when next to another top 15-20 back in Mark Ingram. My analysis of Bryce Love as a collegiate back has me high on his prospects to become a back on a similar level as his collegiate teammate CMC. Running ability reminds me of Jamal Charles, I believe a talent like that eventually shines past their situation. Quote Even before the torn ACL, Love’s stock wasn’t nearly robust as it was last year, given the significant drops in rushing yards (to 739) rushing average (4.4, from 8.1) and touchdowns (6, from 19). Now those markers are stacked alongside the rehab benchmarks. Love is the 3rd best RB on that roster assuming he's fully healthy. He's not competing for the #2 RB spot, he's competing for a roster spot, period. He's 5'8" 200 lbs, was never a good interior runner, and his receiving skills are a huge question mark since Stanford rarely ever threw to him (and he did jack squat with those catches as a Junior and Senior) Edited August 9, 2020 by Jeezla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jeezla said: Even before the torn ACL, Love’s stock wasn’t nearly robust as it was last year, given the significant drops in rushing yards (to 739) rushing average (4.4, from 8.1) and touchdowns (6, from 19). Now those markers are stacked alongside the rehab benchmarks. His final season he played through an ankle injury. Questioning his durability is a fair point, but he’s the same size as CJ2K, Jamaal Charles, and CMC. Backs his size have certainly succeeded in the NFL before. Quote Moving forward, it’s unclear what Love’s rehab schedule will look like. NFL Network reported back in April that some teams had concerns over Love’s injury and lingering knee stiffness. One source explained that Love’s medicals from the NFL Scouting Combine revealed that some doctors believed another surgery would be necessary. This is from a report that stated many teams had him fall due to them being scared away by the health of that knee and his recovery schedule. He fell to the 4th round because they knew he had to go back under the knife. The 2018 season lowered his draft stock from where it was in 2017, sure... but that’s obvious. In 2017 he was considered as a late 1st/mid 2nd round type of back. His senior season dropped him a round to more of the late 2nd/mid 3rd type of back. The knee issue however pushed him down another two levels to the late 4th and very easily could’ve fallen to the Early 5th. So what you’re quoting isn’t anything new. Coming back for his final season was obviously foolish. The ankle tweak along with Stanford switching from their primary power rushing attack to a primary zone scheme attack (which really disrupted the quality of the OL) coalesced into the perfect storm that saw him see less open field opportunities to do damage. 1 hour ago, Jeezla said: Love is the 3rd best RB on that roster assuming he's fully healthy. He's not competing for the #2 RB spot, he's competing for a roster spot, period. He's 5'8" 200 lbs, was never a good interior runner, and his receiving skills are a huge question mark since Stanford rarely ever threw to him (and he did jack squat with those catches as a Junior and Senior) Saying he’s the third best RB on the roster and backing that opinion up with actually providing some sort of analysis as to what makes Antonio Gibson superior are two separate things. Gibson is a size speed specimen that has been running in training camp as both a RB and a WR. It’s clear that Washington plans to use him in a hybrid role and not as the primary #2 RB to Peterson. This means that Love is most likely to see the #2 back number of carries to start off the season. This along with the fact that he’s had more time to spend within the playbook and also to see NFL speed and get comfortable with the locker room dynamics... and he’s got a leg up over Gibson. In terms of running between the tackles, I trust my analysis of Love the college prospect. You don’t run for 2100 yds in a season by being only a one trick pony. Was he nearly unstoppable along the edges, absolutely. Was he a pile mover, no. But he’s got great RB vision and patience allowing him to quickly setup blocks and then dart to any outside creases that form where he can then burn almost any angle coming his way for big gains. In terms of receiving during his freshman season he went 15 for 250 yds on 16.7 ypr... he’s got the ability to do damage in the receiving game. Especially when you claim that Gibson is a superior runner to Love based off of his 33 carries sample size to Love’s 569 carries, I mean why shouldn’t Love’s 15 freshman receptions and his 49 career receptions (more than Gibson’s career totals) prove his worth as a quality receiving back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said: His final season he played through an ankle injury. Questioning his durability is a fair point, but he’s the same size as CJ2K, Jamaal Charles, and CMC. Backs his size have certainly succeeded in the NFL before. This is from a report that stated many teams had him fall due to them being scared away by the health of that knee and his recovery schedule. He fell to the 4th round because they knew he had to go back under the knife. The 2018 season lowered his draft stock from where it was in 2017, sure... but that’s obvious. In 2017 he was considered as a late 1st/mid 2nd round type of back. His senior season dropped him a round to more of the late 2nd/mid 3rd type of back. The knee issue however pushed him down another two levels to the late 4th and very easily could’ve fallen to the Early 5th. So what you’re quoting isn’t anything new. Coming back for his final season was obviously foolish. The ankle tweak along with Stanford switching from their primary power rushing attack to a primary zone scheme attack (which really disrupted the quality of the OL) coalesced into the perfect storm that saw him see less open field opportunities to do damage. Saying he’s the third best RB on the roster and backing that opinion up with actually providing some sort of analysis as to what makes Antonio Gibson superior are two separate things. Gibson is a size speed specimen that has been running in training camp as both a RB and a WR. It’s clear that Washington plans to use him in a hybrid role and not as the primary #2 RB to Peterson. This means that Love is most likely to see the #2 back number of carries to start off the season. This along with the fact that he’s had more time to spend within the playbook and also to see NFL speed and get comfortable with the locker room dynamics... and he’s got a leg up over Gibson. In terms of running between the tackles, I trust my analysis of Love the college prospect. You don’t run for 2100 yds in a season by being only a one trick pony. Was he nearly unstoppable along the edges, absolutely. Was he a pile mover, no. But he’s got great RB vision and patience allowing him to quickly setup blocks and then dart to any outside creases that form where he can then burn almost any angle coming his way for big gains. In terms of receiving during his freshman season he went 15 for 250 yds on 16.7 ypr... he’s got the ability to do damage in the receiving game. Especially when you claim that Gibson is a superior runner to Love based off of his 33 carries sample size to Love’s 569 carries, I mean why shouldn’t Love’s 15 freshman receptions and his 49 career receptions (more than Gibson’s career totals) prove his worth as a quality receiving back. Then it's clear Washington will be needing another new staff in a year or 2. Antonio Gibson runs super robotic routes. He's too thicc. He needs to be a primary RB, who occasionally gets thrown to because he can catch, despite running routes like 100 lb pit bull that's going to end up with hip dysplasia. I've watched more Antonio Gibson than you have. Using him as a hybrid is wasting him. He could be a really good RB, or a very average receiver. He has decent or even good hands, but his footwork and nuance when running routes is absolute poop. I bet McKissic or Barber get more carries than Love. Edited August 9, 2020 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Jeezla said: Then it's clear Washington will be needing another new staff in a year or 2. Antonio Gibson runs super robotic routes. He's too thicc. He needs to be a primary RB, who occasionally gets thrown to because he can catch, despite running routes like 100 lb pit bull that's going to end up with hip dysplasia. I've watched more Antonio Gibson than you have. Using him as a hybrid is wasting him. He could be a really good RB, or a very average receiver. He has decent or even good hands, but his footwork and nuance when running routes is absolute poop. I bet McKissic or Barber get more carries than Love. Okay... and I’ve watched more Bryce Love than you have. What’s more I never stated that Gibson can’t also be a good RB option, I did scout him this past draft season... granted, later in the process. I thought he was a quality boom or bust option as someone to target in the mid-late rounds. However scouting Bryce Love in 2017 and 2018, I’m very familiar with his skillset. From what I’ve seen, Love is superior to Gibson. You obviously seem to disagree. So we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the subject and see how the season plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Jeezla said: Then it's clear Washington will be needing another new staff in a year or 2. Antonio Gibson runs super robotic routes. He's too thicc. He needs to be a primary RB, who occasionally gets thrown to because he can catch, despite running routes like 100 lb pit bull that's going to end up with hip dysplasia. I've watched more Antonio Gibson than you have. Using him as a hybrid is wasting him. He could be a really good RB, or a very average receiver. He has decent or even good hands, but his footwork and nuance when running routes is absolute poop. I bet McKissic or Barber get more carries than Love. I believe they are going to use Gibson primarily as a runner, but they are prepared to use him in certain situations as a receiver or out of the backfield. They view McKissec as McCaffrey-lite, so I expect him to be more involved in the passing game than the running game, and Gibson to be the opposite. Gibson is a raw player either way. Sadly, Guice being off the team now, and our projected #2 WR being out for the year with a torn ACL has moved Gibson up to getting more reps across the board. Hopefully he rises to the occasion. Bryce Love benefits the most from Guice leaving. I think he gets more carries as the season goes on, but they would be wise to start him off slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said: I believe they are going to use Gibson primarily as a runner, but they are prepared to use him in certain situations as a receiver or out of the backfield. They view McKissec as McCaffrey-lite, so I expect him to be more involved in the passing game than the running game, and Gibson to be the opposite. Gibson is a raw player either way. Sadly, Guice being off the team now, and our projected #2 WR being out for the year with a torn ACL has moved Gibson up to getting more reps across the board. Hopefully he rises to the occasion. Bryce Love benefits the most from Guice leaving. I think he gets more carries as the season goes on, but they would be wise to start him off slow. Gibson is raw, but he looks natural running the ball, and he's built for what Ron liked to do in the DeAngelo/J Stewart days, and what Washington has typically done over the past few years on 1st and 2nd downs, which is run it down the throat, and maybe catch a screen on 3rd. I'd also rather have Gibson in pass pro on 3rd down vs Love if you aren't throwing the ball. Who was your projected #2 WR? It should be Gandy-Golden. Edited August 10, 2020 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jeezla said: Gibson is raw, but he looks natural running the ball, and he's built for what Ron liked to do in the DeAngelo/J Stewart days, and what Washington has typically done over the past few years on 1st and 2nd downs, which is run it down the throat, and maybe catch a screen on 3rd. I'd also rather have Gibson in pass pro on 3rd down vs Love if you aren't throwing the ball. Who was your projected #2 WR? It should be Gandy-Golden. It was Harmon before he tore his ACL. Probably AGG now, but I'm sure that wasn't the plan to start the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: It was Harmon before he tore his ACL. Probably AGG now, but I'm sure that wasn't the plan to start the year. AGG is a better Harmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Jeezla said: AGG is a better Harmon Maybe, but doubtful as a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 At this point, we really don't know what we have yet with either Gibson or Love. The ideal scenario is for them both to relegate AD to a role as the 3rd RB, as he was in NO. Also, posted this in the Washington forum: Seems similar to the Kareem Hunt situation, where his release was largely due to him lying to the team moreso than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said: At this point, we really don't know what we have yet with either Gibson or Love. The ideal scenario is for them both to relegate AD to a role as the 3rd RB, as he was in NO. Not that I'm counting out AD... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Looks like all those Guice injuries were karma. What a scumbag. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Looks like all those Guice injuries were karma. What a scumbag. I cant believe that everyone hates on the guy solely for the reason he plays a lot of video games its unfathomable let the kid play video games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, N4L said: I cant believe that everyone hates on the guy solely for the reason he plays a lot of video games its unfathomable let the kid play video games! Dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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