sonny44 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 I get that we may run a little more and we will use tight ends more, maybe use two backs more, etc. You hear that the Browns are virus disadvantaged because of learning a new offense with many new players. But you still have to run and pass and catch and block, etc. Play by play, that's football. So what's so "new"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Language, philosophy, less shotgun and deep drop backs, using a fullback, heavy usage of top 2 WRs, and hopefully plays get called into the huddle quicker. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Keep in mind the Vikings offensive line was significantly worse than ours. https://www.nfl.com/teams/minnesota-vikings/stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Misdirection, less hero ball and more moving the chains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vee-Rex Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Kevin-Stefanski-Wide-Zone-Run-142274849/ That's pretty much all the detail you'll need. A short and sweet summarized version: Wide Zone blocking schemes is about the offensive line blocking while moving horizontally. The point is to gain leverage and push the defense into tight spaces while the running back makes 'one cut' and is able to get downfield. It can be extremely effective as you see average RBs have enormous games. The running game is 'marriaged' with the passing game. This means that most running plays look like passing plays and vice versa. This makes the defense hesitate even when the ball is snapped (often times not getting as much pressure on passing plays because they are defending gaps if they wrongly believe it's a running play), and if they react poorly it can be pretty devastating. Nasty play actions can come out of this, and generally it's easier on a QB since he doesn't have to make 2340982 reads and have simpler targets. Everything is far more focused and intentional, and the offense will have an actual identity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 It won't be Freddie playing madden in real life for one thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 If chubb stays healthy and the oline comes together we are looking at 5+ypc, if he is in as good a shape as advertised, he might hit 6ypc. 320x6= near 2k rushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, bruceb said: Misdirection, less hero ball and more moving the chains. Misdirection? How so? It’s a zone scheme lol Biggest difference is about disguising as much of the run plays and pass plays together. You knew when Freddie was going to pass the ball and run the ball cause the dude was horrible at calling plays and setting up plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 57 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: If chubb stays healthy and the oline comes together we are looking at 5+ypc, if he is in as good a shape as advertised, he might hit 6ypc. 320x6= near 2k rushing. Chubb won’t come close to 2k yards. I think he will be close to Maybe 1500 all purpose yards give or take. There is no reason for him to run the ball 320x. Especially when his back up can potentially Be better than him. Hunt and Chubb need to split the work load a decent amount. Keep each other as fresh as possible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, buno67 said: Biggest difference is about disguising as much of the run plays and pass plays together. Uh, which is by definition misdirection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonny44 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Vee-Rex said: https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Kevin-Stefanski-Wide-Zone-Run-142274849/ That's pretty much all the detail you'll need. A short and sweet summarized version: Wide Zone blocking schemes is about the offensive line blocking while moving horizontally. The point is to gain leverage and push the defense into tight spaces while the running back makes 'one cut' and is able to get downfield. It can be extremely effective as you see average RBs have enormous games. The running game is 'marriaged' with the passing game. This means that most running plays look like passing plays and vice versa. This makes the defense hesitate even when the ball is snapped (often times not getting as much pressure on passing plays because they are defending gaps if they wrongly believe it's a running play), and if they react poorly it can be pretty devastating. Nasty play actions can come out of this, and generally it's easier on a QB since he doesn't have to make 2340982 reads and have simpler targets. Everything is far more focused and intentional, and the offense will have an actual identity. Great answer, love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 16 hours ago, buno67 said: Chubb won’t come close to 2k yards. I think he will be close to Maybe 1500 all purpose yards give or take. There is no reason for him to run the ball 320x. Especially when his back up can potentially Be better than him. Hunt and Chubb need to split the work load a decent amount. Keep each other as fresh as possible. Chubb is superior to hunt as a runner, that is why they will give him the ball more. I agree he won't get close to 2k, most likely. He will still get, imo 18 Carrie's per game. At 5.5 ypc it's still close to 1600 yards rushing. Between chubb and hunt we could hit 25-30 Carrie's per game. A 18-12 split between chubb and hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Chubb is superior to hunt as a runner, that is why they will give him the ball more. I agree he won't get close to 2k, most likely. He will still get, imo 18 Carrie's per game. At 5.5 ypc it's still close to 1600 yards rushing. Between chubb and hunt we could hit 25-30 Carrie's per game. A 18-12 split between chubb and hunt. You’re acting like there is this huge drop off from Chubb to Hunt. Yes Chubb is a better runner but Hunt is prolly the better overall back when you incorporate pass catching and pass block. when Chubb and Hunt are that good, why is their a need to have Chubb Rack up 300+ touches for a season? I want a fresh and healthy Chubb for the entire season. cook last year was the only good back for Minny and ge avg about 19touches a game. Now Stef has two legit backs to work with. I just don’t see them trying to force feed one back or the other. So he gets a certain amount of touches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 On 8/10/2020 at 5:01 AM, buno67 said: You’re acting like there is this huge drop off from Chubb to Hunt. Yes Chubb is a better runner but Hunt is prolly the better overall back when you incorporate pass catching and pass block. when Chubb and Hunt are that good, why is their a need to have Chubb Rack up 300+ touches for a season? I want a fresh and healthy Chubb for the entire season. cook last year was the only good back for Minny and ge avg about 19touches a game. Now Stef has two legit backs to work with. I just don’t see them trying to force feed one back or the other. So he gets a certain amount of touches. Chubb is a much better runner than hunt. He is more explosive, and has better balance and strength with better vision. Hunt is better at breaking tackles, better agility and more instinctive, with superior hands and route running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) If you watch the games this year compared to last the one difference you will see off the bat is the decision making in the pass game. This is much more of a system on offense compared to last year which required multiple reads, deep dropbacks and basically required talent to win their matchups. The new system is much more "This is where you are going with the ball and if he's not open here is your second option". A lot of the new plays are designed to get one or two specific players open so that it cuts down on the multiple reads and long developing plays. Edited August 11, 2020 by AkronsWitness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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