MacReady Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Nobody has answered my challenge. Nobody. Can ANYBODY find me a defense with the same amount of defensive investment and the same amount of defensive production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth, but Outpost is right and you all are wrong. Does anyone see Pettine being able to stop Wilson and the Seahawks? Out-coach Shanny in SF? Stop that Saints offense with Michael Thomas? Hell no. We're back to being a great team that relies on our offense being perfect every week. Pettine has gone soft and bland. In a year where you need as a defense to "bring your own juice" our DC brings absolutely none to this group. I like the scheme when it's called aggressively. The UW system needs money, send a blank check down there in return for Leonhard and let's get someone young and energetic to coach this bunch. Too talented to play this crappy. That's because the squeaky wheel hasn't shut up long enough to allow any other thoughts into the conversation, sucking up all the oxygen so that brains can't think about anything but what he says, a lot like certainly glory hound celebrities try to do... You asked if we see Pettine stopping Wilson, but when the squeaky wheel gets into a pitch he comes out which his BS meter and suggest while Bill Belichick would have done better, like Belichick is a potential option for us to sign as Pettine replacement, which is completely BS. But if you want to use that same BS mater, if you're going apples to apples, has Bill Belichick or anyone else been able to stop Wilson? No they haven't... So why the hell are trying to force Pettine (a guy some says sucks) to a higher standard than anyone else in football? That seems more like stupidity... because if he sucks then of course he's not going to be able to do it, but guess what, everyone else must suck too, because they haven't been been able to hold Wilson down... SF coaches said after the game that they couldn't figure out a way to beat Pettine system, so they said screw it, we're not attacking the system but attacking the players and keep doing it, until the players proved he'd hold up I'm run stopping and the players never did, even with Pettine using a 5-2 run stopping defense. The players got out willed more than Pettine out coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Lol at using what Shanahan said. They 100% used the scheme against Pettine. Just Force your front seven up field on every single play with zero coaching of run fits? Okay, run reverses and right up the middle. That’s literally textbook how you handle that. Use coach speak to fit your argument. Lol. That’s some Mike McCarthy “pad level” BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Packerraymond Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Beast said: That's because the squeaky wheel hasn't shut up long enough to allow any other thoughts into the conversation, sucking up all the oxygen so that brains can't think about anything but what he says, a lot like certainly glory hound celebrities try to do... You asked if we see Pettine stopping Wilson, but when the squeaky wheel gets into a pitch he comes out which his BS meter and suggest while Bill Belichick would have done better, like Belichick is a potential option for us to sign as Pettine replacement, which is completely BS. But if you want to use that same BS mater, if you're going apples to apples, has Bill Belichick or anyone else been able to stop Wilson? No they haven't... So why the hell are trying to force Pettine (a guy some says sucks) to a higher standard than anyone else in football? That seems more like stupidity... because if he sucks then of course he's not going to be able to do it, but guess what, everyone else must suck too, because they haven't been been able to hold Wilson down... SF coaches said after the game that they couldn't figure out a way to beat Pettine system, so they said screw it, we're not attacking the system but attacking the players and keep doing it, until the players proved he'd hold up I'm run stopping and the players never did, even with Pettine using a 5-2 run stopping defense. The players got out willed more than Pettine out coached. If you don't think Pettine get outcoached in SF there's no point in continuing on with this. He got his *** handed to him. His run fits were atrocious, we lost by alignment so many snaps in that game it was just sad, to make matters worse, that was his 3rd crack at Shanny, he's been owned every time. The first time with like a 3rd string QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Shanahan owned Pettine so thoroughly that the only thing he could say other than, "We knew exactly what to do to Pettine," was a compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, Packerraymond said: If you don't think Pettine get outcoached in SF there's no point in continuing on with this. He got his *** handed to him. His run fits were atrocious, we lost by alignment so many snaps in that game it was just sad, to make matters worse, that was his 3rd crack at Shanny, he's been owned every time. The first time with like a 3rd string QB. Um, excuse me, but Beathard is an elite QB. Just because Beathard can go into Lambeau Field and put up 30 points doesn't mean Shanahan owns Pettine so thoroughly Pettine sucks. Lol. I just can't get over using coach speak as a point in one's argument. Like WTF does someone expect a head coach to say when asked about a defense you just curb stomped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: If you don't think Pettine get outcoached in SF there's no point in continuing on with this. He got his *** handed to him. His run fits were atrocious, we lost by alignment so many snaps in that game it was just sad, to make matters worse, that was his 3rd crack at Shanny, he's been owned every time. The first time with like a 3rd string QB. There has been no point to continuing this conversation as someone points out that any and all mistakes by any defensive player is Pettine fault... they players had horrible tackles attempts, it's Pettine fault... everything is Pettine's fault. Clark getting injured is Pettine fault too. The standard being demanded (not nessarily by you), is asinine, such as stopping Wilson... who's the same team to stop Wilson? The Packers... but of course Pettine sucked and we got him so the Packers certainly can't do it, despite they did it just last year, but we didn't have Pettine then, so we were good and could stop Wilson, but now we got him and we suck it's all Pettine fault... Pettine is getting blamed for absolutely everything that goes wrong, and absolutely no credit for whenever anything goes right, Pettine is our red headed step child, that people blame everything on (and yes he absolutely deserves some), but he never gets any credit when things go right (and he deserves some there too). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Beast said: There has been no point to continuing this conversation as someone points out that any and all mistakes by any defensive player is Pettine fault... they players had horrible tackles attempts, it's Pettine fault... everything is Pettine's fault. Clark getting injured is Pettine fault too. The standard being demanded (not nessarily by you), is asinine, such as stopping Wilson... who's the same team to stop Wilson? The Packers... but of course Pettine sucked and we got him so the Packers certainly can't do it, despite they did it just last year, but we didn't have Pettine then, so we were good and could stop Wilson, but now we got him and we suck it's all Pettine fault... Pettine is getting blamed for absolutely everything that goes wrong, and absolutely no credit for whenever anything goes right, Pettine is our red headed step child, that people blame everything on (and yes he absolutely deserves some), but he never gets any credit when things go right (and he deserves some there too). We stopped Wilson for a quarter last year, and that was enough. Thankfully Seattle didn't have Carson or Penny, otherwise we'd probably have been run over. That's a high standard to hold a defense to, and no one's done it yet this year, but being able to contain Russ for a game is the difference between another good season with a frustrating playoff exit this year and winning it all. Someone's going to have to contain Wilson, or they'll win it all. This defense has big time personality and it's being coached by a guy who came in here with big personality, but lost it somewhere around October of last year. Unless he finds it again, he's no longer a match for this player group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, Beast said: There has been no point to continuing this conversation as someone points out that any and all mistakes by any defensive player is Pettine fault... they players had horrible tackles attempts, it's Pettine fault... everything is Pettine's fault. You still have not yet acknowledged how 20 other teams with lesser/more injured defenses have done better than our team, and you have not once acknowledged the level of talent on the Packers defense. You're the one who isn't discussing things. You're the one who isn't providing evidence to suggest there are no issues with scheme. *Crap run fits. *Playing players out of position. *Zero blitzes. *Soft coverage. *Extreme investment disparity between the Packers and every other defense. Those are the things you have not acknowledged or countered. All you have said is, "Players." You haven't made a single point other than blaming players. So I'll ask again: If Preston Smith is covering Alvin Kamara, is it the player or is it the scheme? Do you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree? Do you judge a squirrel on its ability to breathe under water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, Packerraymond said: This defense has big time personality and it's being coached by a guy who came in here with big personality, but lost it somewhere around October of last year. Unless he finds it again, he's no longer a match for this player group. He doesn't want to have a conversation about it. He's completely entrenched in the notion that it's 100% on the players. He has not acknowledged a single solitary point anybody has against Pettine. He's cried about me pointing things out to him, yet he takes cheap shots and then runs, and then comes into a thread I made about Pettine after spending all of last night complaining about me bringing up Pettine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: We stopped Wilson for a quarter last year, and that was enough. Thankfully Seattle didn't have Carson or Penny, otherwise we'd probably have been run over. That's a high standard to hold a defense to, and no one's done it yet this year, but being able to contain Russ for a game is the difference between another good season with a frustrating playoff exit this year and winning it all. Someone's going to have to contain Wilson, or they'll win it all. This defense has big time personality and it's being coached by a guy who came in here with big personality, but lost it somewhere around October of last year. Unless he finds it again, he's no longer a match for this player group. So when the defensive struggles, Pettine gets all the blame... And when the defensive does well, we only get excuses to ignore it... Sounds more like partisan politics than football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Facts are facts. Our defense has played well enough to win 17 out of our last 20 games. Isn't that the point? Is it perfect? No. Is it ideal? No. But geez we're whiney and spoiled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, Beast said: So when the defensive struggles, Pettine gets all the blame... And when the defensive does well, we only get excuses to ignore it... Sounds more like partisan politics than football... Who the hell in Packerland ignores when the defense plays well? With what we've gone through the last decade, there are parties in the streets. Like after the Bears game last year or the Vikings clincher, we were praising the defense nonstop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, wgbeethree said: Facts are facts. Our defense has played well enough to win 17 out of our last 20 games. Isn't that the point? Is it perfect? No. Is it ideal? No. But geez we're whiney and spoiled. Yup, whiney spoiled *******... that need something to complain about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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