2021 - NFL Draft Prospects Thread

[DaBoys]

4 minutes ago, D82 said:

*sigh* 

If Trevor Lawrence is on the board you take him. Dak will fetch a nice pick on a tag and trade. 
 

...and honestly Fields is looking good too. You draft a blue chip QB prospect for the first time since 1989. It’s what good teams do. We have holes everywhere. Take the all world prospect, take the rookie contract, take the trade compensation for Dak, build through those draft picks, and extra cap space. 

Edited November 4, 2020 by DaBoys

[D82]

4 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

If Trevor Lawrence is on the board you take him. Dak will fetch a nice pick on a tag and trade. 
 

...and honestly Fields is looking good too. You draft a blue chip QB prospect for the first time since 1989. It’s what good teams do. We have holes everywhere. Take the all world prospect, take the rookie contract, take the trade compensation for Dak, build through those draft picks, and extra cap space. 

Lawrence is the only guy I'd take ahead of Dak. He's the only one who I think could be better. 

If we can't get him, then you sign your top five/top ten QB and try and trade back to acquire more picks to build the defense, or take the best defensive player on the board.

[Matts4313]

5 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

If Trevor Lawrence is on the board you take him. Dak will fetch a nice pick on a tag and trade. 
 

...and honestly Fields is looking good too. You draft a blue chip QB prospect for the first time since 1989. It’s what good teams do. We have holes everywhere. Take the all world prospect, take the rookie contract, take the trade compensation for Dak, build through those draft picks, and extra cap space. 

And yet Dak is better than any 1st pick QB the last 20 years (essentially tied with Matt Ryan @1). And many of those "blue chip" QBs are or have been significantly worse than Dak.

Pay Dak - trade back and get a bounty of high draft picks that will lower the cap needed to be spent on defense - - which will all be on 4-5 year contracts.

Trade Dak, pick QB, maybe he flakes, maybe (highly unlikely) he turns out as good as Dak. Use the (less) trade compensation from Dak/cap to try and pick up defensive players (which we keep failing at).

 

One is much more safe and keeps our most valuable player.

[resilient part 2]

it doesn't matter!!

 

Edited November 4, 2020 by resilient part 2

[DaBoys]

19 hours ago, Matts4313 said:

And yet Dak is better than any 1st pick QB the last 20 years (essentially tied with Matt Ryan @1).

I stopped reading after this 

[Matts4313]

Just now, DaBoys said:

I stopped reading after this 

It was literally posted on this very website no less than a week ago. Matt Ryan has the highest EPA, Dak is like .1 behind him, and then it drops down to every other #1 QB picked are all 5-10% below Dak. 

[DaBoys]

2 hours ago, Matts4313 said:

It was literally posted on this very website no less than a week ago. Matt Ryan has the highest EPA, Dak is like .1 behind him, and then it drops down to every other #1 QB picked are all 5-10% below Dak. 

You have now stated twice that you believe Dak is better than Mahomes. I’m done

[Matts4313]

1 minute ago, DaBoys said:

You have now stated twice that you believe Dak is better than Mahomes. I’m done

You still cant read worth a damn, so its good you are done. Better to quit while you are only so far behind.

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And yet Dak is better than any 1st pick QB the last 20 years (essentially tied with Matt Ryan @1).

Little reminder, Mahommes was the second QB picked. 

[DaBoys]

53 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

You still cant read worth a damn, so its good you are done. Better to quit while you are only so far behind.

Little reminder, Mahommes was the second QB picked. 

Oh well, that settles it then. The Browns picked Baker so might as well not try because no first round QBs work out. That’s useless

[canadaluvsdallas]

 

[canadaluvsdallas]

Just want to put this out there. I'd love for Dak to come back. It's my favorite option actually.

But knowing our shrewd FO with dak's contract situation they are definitely considering Lawrence, Fields or Lance at this point.

Heartbreaking way to end to his season yes, but things change once the off-season deals start going. 

Right now I'm calling things as I realistically see it, and you'd be joking to me if you thought they aren't thinking of the draft for our next starting QB for 2021.

Might even get our successor and get back Dak for a 2-3 year contract. Just sounds like how we like to do things to be honest.

 

Edit:

Also I think Dak is a great QB and he brings so many things to an NFL team from a leadership standpoint and the way he was progressed his game through the years with his preparation was truly such an amazing thing to witness.

That being said I don't think his arm talent matches what this team needs as we have superbowl expectations while competing in the same league as Mahomes, Jackson, Rodgers, Herbert,Murray, Wilson.

The true elite QB's in the league right now have arm talent that is just unmatched, and where they might end up in a couple years we will certainly be seeing a very different NFL.

My point is what THIS team needs aka the Dallas Cowboys football club, is one of those natural arm talent QBs. We might need to rethink our instant hesitation to look into the draft for such QB.

Edited November 5, 2020 by canadaluvsdallas

[Matts4313]

1 hour ago, DaBoys said:

Oh well, that settles it then. The Browns picked Baker so might as well not try because no first round QBs work out. That’s useless

20 of them daboys. the last 20 of them

[Matts4313]

49 minutes ago, canadaluvsdallas said:

That being said I don't think his arm talent matches what this team needs as we have superbowl expectations while competing in the same league as Mahomes, Jackson, Rodgers, Herbert,Murray, Wilson.

How do you define "Arm Talent" - - And how does Jackson have more of it than Dak? Is this another nebulous, unidentified term that people can use? I would define "arm talent" as the ability to get the ball to your WRs. Dak has done it consistently and at all three levels (short, mid and deep). Just as a reminder, Dak is T-3rd most accurate QB in history. And he as achieved that while consistently being highly rated in deep ball passing and tight window throws.

 

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Rank	Player	Cmp%	Years	Tm
1	Drew Brees	67.7%	2001-2020	2TM
2	Kirk Cousins	66.8%	2012-2020	2TM
3	Chad Pennington	66.0%	2000-2010	2TM
	Dak Prescott	66.0%	2016-2020	dal
5	Kurt Warner+	65.5%	1998-2009	3TM
	Matt Ryan	65.5%	2008-2020	atl
7	Peyton Manning	65.3%	1998-2015	2TM
	Tony Romo	65.3%	2004-2016	dal
9	Russell Wilson	64.9%	2012-2020	sea
10	Philip Rivers	64.8%	2004-2020	2TM
11	Aaron Rodgers	64.6%	2005-2020	gnb
12	Derek Carr	64.5%	2014-2020	rai
13	Ben Roethlisberger	64.4%	2004-2020	pit
14	Steve Young+	64.3%	1985-1999	2TM
15	Matt Schaub	64.2%	2004-2019	4TM
16	Tom Brady	63.9%	2000-2020	2TM
17	Ryan Tannehill	63.8%	2012-2020	2TM
18	Joe Montana+	63.2%	1979-1994	2TM
19	Carson Wentz	63.1%	2016-2020	phi
20	Daunte Culpepper	63.0%	1999-2009	4TM
21	Marcus Mariota	62.9%	2015-2019	oti
22	Jared Goff	62.8%	2016-2020	ram
23	Brian Griese	62.7%	1998-2008	4TM
24	Sam Bradford	62.5%	2010-2018	4TM
	Carson Palmer	62.5%	2004-2017	3TM

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Rank	Player	ANY/A	Years	Tm
1	Aaron Rodgers	7.34	2005-2020	gnb
2	Peyton Manning	7.17	1998-2015	2TM
3	Russell Wilson	7.10	2012-2020	sea
4	Drew Brees	7.09	2001-2020	2TM
5	Tom Brady	7.08	2000-2020	2TM
6	Tony Romo	7.03	2004-2016	dal
7	Deshaun Watson	7.00	2017-2020	htx
	Dak Prescott	7.00	2016-2020	dal
9	Philip Rivers	6.93	2004-2020	2TM
10	Steve Young+	6.85	1985-1999	2TM
11	Kirk Cousins	6.82	2012-2020	2TM
12	Matt Ryan	6.78	2008-2020	atl
13	Jared Goff	6.76	2016-2020	ram
14	Kurt Warner+	6.71	1998-2009	3TM
15	Ben Roethlisberger	6.70	2004-2020	pit
16	Joe Montana+	6.60	1979-1994	2TM
17	Dan Marino+	6.55	1983-1999	mia
18	Matt Schaub	6.48	2004-2019	4TM
19	Andrew Luck	6.42	2012-2018	clt
20	Derek Carr	6.37	2014-2020	rai
21	Jameis Winston	6.30	2015-2019	tam
22	Matthew Stafford	6.29	2009-2020	det
23	Trent Green	6.24	1997-2008	4TM
	Jeff Garcia	6.24	1999-2009	5TM
25	Carson Palmer	6.22	2004-2017	3TM

^^^^ And the all important ANY/A.... 

Edited November 5, 2020 by Matts4313

[canadaluvsdallas]

29 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

How do you define "Arm Talent" - - And how does Jackson have more of it than Dak? Is this another nebulous, unidentified term that people can use? I would define "arm talent" as the ability to get the ball to your WRs. Dak has done it consistently and at all three levels (short, mid and deep). Just as a reminder, Dak is T-3rd most accurate QB in history. And he as achieved that while consistently being highly rated in deep ball passing and tight window throws.

 

^^^^ And the all important ANY/A.... 

Matt have we at any point under Dak Prescott in at QB with our cast and coaches around him felt like we could win a superbowl?

I've felt great about some of the teams he led.

I still think he can lead another team to a superbowl. But it's tough to imagine it could be us. We don't have the supporting cast he needs to reach that goal.

We can get into a bigger debate into our talent acquisition, but it's one thats too long for me and quite honest with you I'm not patient enough.

The only thing that can change our fortunes from now which is watching a team that is a dumpster fire in the NFC without Dak is someone who is naturally talented like Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. 

We aren't good enough to keep Dak, cause honestly Dak isn't good enough to carry us. AND thats no knock on Dak, thats a knock on us.

SURE! Dak can win us a couple NFC Least Crowns and beat the bikes off Carson Wentz! WOW!

What really are our goals here? Just Chill being kings of the worst division in football? 

Edited November 5, 2020 by canadaluvsdallas

[DaBoys]

35 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

How do you define "Arm Talent" - - And how does Jackson have more of it than Dak? Is this another nebulous, unidentified term that people can use? I would define "arm talent" as the ability to get the ball to your WRs. Dak has done it consistently and at all three levels (short, mid and deep). Just as a reminder, Dak is T-3rd most accurate QB in history. And he as achieved that while consistently being highly rated in deep ball passing and tight window throws.

 

^^^^ And the all important ANY/A.... 

What do you think about drafting Sewell? I know we need defense but he is the best non QB in the draft at this stage. If we can’t trade down, and we don’t want to draft Parsons, Farley, or Fields.... Sewell would be a great get for this team.

If Tyron and Collins return to top 20 form, we could play Sewell or Collins opposite Martin. And of course, if Tyron or Collins one don’t return to form then Sewell is a bookend LT. 

Edited November 5, 2020 by DaBoys