Darbsk Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: The NFL begs to differ That's why I said IMHO. He's a great team player, love his attitude and the way he's handled his issues but he's simply not an All Pro talent yet. He puts together another season like this one with a dozen sacks next year then he'll be in the conversation for sure. Would you choose him and over Watt, Garrett, Bosa, Bosa, Chase Young, Hunter or Jordan on a purely playing perspective? Edited January 24, 2022 by Darbsk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edz209 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Darbsk said: Would you choose him and over Watt, Garrett, Bosa, Bosa, Chase Young, Hunter or Jordan on a purely playing perspective? over your first 4 no over your last 3 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Edz209 said: over your first 4 no over your last 3 yes As I've said, I really like Crosby but I don't think he's the pass rusher Hunter and Young are and Jordan is a complete DE. I believe Crosby is in that next tier of players with guys like Burns, Ngakoue, Landry, Quinn, Hendrickson and these guys. Very good players and Pro Bowl type players IMHO. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Darbsk said: As I've said, I really like Crosby but I don't think he's the pass rusher Hunter and Young are and Jordan is a complete DE. I believe Crosby is in that next tier of players with guys like Burns, Ngakoue, Landry, Quinn, Hendrickson and these guys. Very good players and Pro Bowl type players IMHO. 😀 Feels like you are making this about sack numbers. Crosby is a dominate pass rusher who is winning multiple ways. The sacks will continue to pile up. Would help if the Raiders had a secondary that could cover and make plays. I think Crosby will continue to ascend to the top edge rushers in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Feels like you are making this about sack numbers. Crosby is a dominate pass rusher who is winning multiple ways. The sacks will continue to pile up. Would help if the Raiders had a secondary that could cover and make plays. I think Crosby will continue to ascend to the top edge rushers in the game. Well, that's part of it isn't it. A pass rusher needs sacks. It's not the whole of the equation certainly, but he's not a dominant run defender like Jordan or Bosa so if he's decent at run defence rather than great then he needs to be great at pass rushing to compensate and he's very good but not great IMO. Its the difference for me between Pro Bowl and All Pro. Mack for example is as good a pass rusher but a better run defender. If his calling card is pass rush he needs to turn more pressures into sacks to become a great one for me personally. Pressures are great, but the QB can still complete the pass whilst a sack ends the play there and then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Darbsk said: Well, that's part of it isn't it. A pass rusher needs sacks. It's not the whole of the equation certainly, but he's not a dominant run defender like Jordan or Bosa so if he's decent at run defence rather than great then he needs to be great at pass rushing to compensate and he's very good but not great IMO. Its the difference for me between Pro Bowl and All Pro. Mack for example is as good a pass rusher but a better run defender. If his calling card is pass rush he needs to turn more pressures into sacks to become a great one for me personally. Pressures are great, but the QB can still complete the pass whilst a sack ends the play there and then. He had excellent grades against the rush last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Jraider91 said: He had excellent grades against the rush last year Well, what I saw was improved discipline, better leverage and terrific effort but he's still only an average to decent run defender from what I saw. He certainly isn't in the same league as a guy like Mack or Jordan or Bosa who are technically superb. Maxx is still a little wild and gets washed out at times from what I saw. I'm not sure what grades you're referring to but I thought he did improve for sure but us a level below the very best and I thought that was the argument, that he was among the very best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, Darbsk said: Well, what I saw was improved discipline, better leverage and terrific effort but he's still only an average to decent run defender from what I saw. He certainly isn't in the same league as a guy like Mack or Jordan or Bosa who are technically superb. Maxx is still a little wild and gets washed out at times from what I saw. I'm not sure what grades you're referring to but I thought he did improve for sure but us a level below the very best and I thought that was the argument, that he was among the very best. https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 34 minutes ago, Jraider91 said: https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings Thank you for posting those, it's interesting but I'll trust my eyes and what I saw. Feel free to disagree though 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 I wonder if Hobbs' recent antics hurt him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) On 1/25/2022 at 1:57 PM, RaidersAreOne said: I wonder if Hobbs' recent antics hurt him here. Meanwhile, Hobbs and Ruggs were named to the Clark County Detention Center All-Rookie team. Edited January 26, 2022 by SBXISBXVSBXVIII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Humble_Beast Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 On 1/26/2022 at 11:44 AM, RaidersAreOne said: I hope we draft UCLA Sean Rhyan on day 2. I see a potential all pro guard in him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 3:30 AM, big_palooka said: Feels like you are making this about sack numbers. Crosby is a dominate pass rusher who is winning multiple ways. The sacks will continue to pile up. Would help if the Raiders had a secondary that could cover and make plays. I think Crosby will continue to ascend to the top edge rushers in the game. Yep. He’s winning so fast with so many moves. It’s crazy the jump he made. The sacks will come. A lot of bad luck on those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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