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20 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said:

Looked at Dane Bruglers draft guide. Shaun Wade as the #23rd ranked CB in the class and a projected 5th round pick.

Whoooooof that coming back for another year thing hurt him. 

Someone will take him in the third.

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3 hours ago, NudeTayne said:

Someone will take him in the third.

If nothing else, based on his 2019 film as a slot, positional versatility, and a projection as a solid free safety. If we are boxing him in as strictly an outside corner, yikes. Day 2 guy though I’d think. 

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1 hour ago, buno67 said:

Fields is criminally underrated. I like Zach but he isnt QB 2

I actually don't like Zach. He has 1 year of production against a bunch of dudes selling insurance now in a COVID year where there were no fans present, and the 1 team he played against that was any semblance of good (also a mid major), he was underwhelming.

I don't get it.

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1 hour ago, MWil23 said:

I actually don't like Zach. He has 1 year of production against a bunch of dudes selling insurance now in a COVID year where there were no fans present, and the 1 team he played against that was any semblance of good (also a mid major), he was underwhelming.

I don't get it.

He can make side arm passes so people go 6 to midnight thinking he is the next Pat Mahommes.

I watch a lot of TV being stuck at home and I have yet to hear a single negative word about questions Zach Wilson has on the field. Since its a lock for the Jets to select him, nobody even touches on him.--or Lawrence who has his own questionmarks for that matter.

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Am I the only one who thinks Wilson may end up the best QB in this draft class?  If I had the #1 pick I would probably take Lawrence just because he seems safest. He has the highest floor. But it would literally take to t minus 5 seconds to go to turn in the card. And I may go Wilson. Again the age old “it’s the competition he faced” vs “it’s the competition he had”. Sounds pretty symmetric. So break down what he can do. And that’s sling the damn football to the damn receiver. 
 

Y’all thee Ohio state honkers need to get a grip concerning your prized Fields. He’s better than Haskins for sure. Remember y’all got on me for not liking him so much. Fields has a really great shot at being good. That’s why he’s my clear third guy this year. 
 

Oh wait I’m a thee Ohio state honk 🧐🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

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8 hours ago, Bonanza23 said:

Am I the only one who thinks Wilson may end up the best QB in this draft class?  If I had the #1 pick I would probably take Lawrence just because he seems safest. He has the highest floor. But it would literally take to t minus 5 seconds to go to turn in the card. And I may go Wilson. Again the age old “it’s the competition he faced” vs “it’s the competition he had”. Sounds pretty symmetric. So break down what he can do. And that’s sling the damn football to the damn receiver. 
 

Y’all thee Ohio state honkers need to get a grip concerning your prized Fields. He’s better than Haskins for sure. Remember y’all got on me for not liking him so much. Fields has a really great shot at being good. That’s why he’s my clear third guy this year. 
 

Oh wait I’m a thee Ohio state honk 🧐🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

Being able to sling it is all well and good, but there’s more to it than that imo.

I think people get infatuated with physical gifts this time of year and if we’re being honest most QB’s don’t fail because they don’t have enough arm, or height, or speed.

I think to be a top pick a QB I’d want to see as much of the following as possible;

- early breakout age.  I know there are exceptions, but most really good QB’s are sitting behind someone until their 3rd or 4th year. With this should be some level of success early.  You don’t have to be setting the world on fire, but you can’t be putting up awful numbers and starting just because you’re the best option at a bad school.

- experience.  Ideally 3 years, but two if they sat behind someone good their freshman/sophomore year. One year wonders scare me. I want someone who defensive coordinators have seen, made adjustments to, and how have continued to excel.  A guy who’s “seen it all”, at least from a college perspective.

- accuracy on “big boy” throws. I don’t care if a guy competes 75% of his passes if they’re all within 3 yards of the LOS, I want to see tight window throws down the field, efficiency in the red zone, etc.

- wins.  This is relative to the school they played for.  I don’t expect a guy like Wilson at BYU to win as many games or big games as Fields at OSU, but the player should elevate the team to their highest possible level. 

- good play against top competition. I don’t care if a top prospect can drop 400 yards and 5 tuddies against Our Lady of the Poor, what do they do when they’re facing equal or better competition?  Do they still look like “the dude”?

- adequate physical skills. A QB doesn’t need to be able to chuck a pass 80 yards in a dome in shorts.  They don’t need to be 6’5.  Running a 4.4 isn’t necessary.  All that stuff is nice, but doesn’t really contribute to success most of the time.  

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8 hours ago, Bonanza23 said:

Am I the only one who thinks Wilson may end up the best QB in this draft class?  If I had the #1 pick I would probably take Lawrence just because he seems safest. He has the highest floor. But it would literally take to t minus 5 seconds to go to turn in the card. And I may go Wilson. Again the age old “it’s the competition he faced” vs “it’s the competition he had”. Sounds pretty symmetric. So break down what he can do. And that’s sling the damn football to the damn receiver. 
 

Y’all thee Ohio state honkers need to get a grip concerning your prized Fields. He’s better than Haskins for sure. Remember y’all got on me for not liking him so much. Fields has a really great shot at being good. That’s why he’s my clear third guy this year. 
 

Oh wait I’m a thee Ohio state honk 🧐🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

Wilson has the most arm talent and makes the most “wow” throws, similar to Baker in that regard. Baker’s TD bomb to Landry into double coverage vs. Carolina his rookie year is basically Wilson’s game. He makes some ballsy throws into very small windows, but he usually converts. I think he throws a ton of interceptions in the NFL, but is still a great player. He will be similar to Baker was in his first few seasons.

Lawrence has to go 1. You can’t not take the no-brainer. Nobody will kill you if Lawrence bombs somehow, but you’d literally bel lynched in the streets if you took someone before Lawrence and they busted.

 

Yeah, the Fields love is insane. Best Ohio State player ever? That made me chuckle. Fields isn’t a terrible prospect, but he’s not in the same stratosphere as Lawrence like some people want him to be. I think he falls into the tier 2 QB group, which consists of Wilson/Lance/Fields. He could go in the top 5 and I wouldn’t think it’s insane, but his processing skills are weak AF. He is basically what you’d get if you gave Tyrod Taylor a cannon for an arm. Not terrible, but not worthy of moving heaven and earth to get. I can see Fields being a starting QB for a while, but never really breaking the top 15 in terms of QB play.

The more I think about Fields, the more I like the comparison to a more athletic Mitch Trubisky. Mitch had great arm talent and was awesome in college, but struggles processing quickly. Trubisky had had some NFL success, but has been wildly inconsistent. I expect Fields to have some best games sandwiched between some stinkers.

The tier 2 QBs are all really close to me. I like Wilson’s arm, but he’s got a lot if flaws too. I wouldn’t think it was crazy if the Jets took Lance or Fields over him. 
 

MY QB RANKINGS:

1. Trevor Lawrence (84/100). 
2. Zach Wilson (74/100). 
3. Justin Fields (73/100). 
4. Trey Lance (72/100). 
5. Mac Jones (70/100). 

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Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Being able to sling it is all well and good, but there’s more to it than that imo.

I think people get infatuated with physical gifts this time of year and if we’re being honest most QB’s don’t fail because they don’t have enough arm, or height, or speed.

I think to be a top pick a QB I’d want to see as much of the following as possible;

- early breakout age.  I know there are exceptions, but most really good QB’s are sitting behind someone until their 3rd or 4th year. With this should be some level of success early.  You don’t have to be setting the world on fire, but you can’t be putting up awful numbers and starting just because you’re the best option at a bad school.

- experience.  Ideally 3 years, but two if they sat behind someone good their freshman/sophomore year. One year wonders scare me. I want someone who defensive coordinators have seen, made adjustments to, and how have continued to excel.  A guy who’s “seen it all”, at least from a college perspective.

I don’t mind 1-year wonders, but I will admit several of them have flopped. 

Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

- accuracy on “big boy” throws. I don’t care if a guy competes 75% of his passes if they’re all within 3 yards of the LOS, I want to see tight window throws down the field, efficiency in the red zone, etc.

You would nut in your pants watching Wilson. He’s the best at these tight window lasers. 
 

Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

- wins.  This is relative to the school they played for.  I don’t expect a guy like Wilson at BYU to win as many games or big games as Fields at OSU, but the player should elevate the team to their highest possible level. 

I never cared about wins when scouting. Sometimes dudes carry their garbage teams all season long (Zach Wilson, Josh Allen, Daniel Jones) whereas others get carried (Mac Jones, Colt McCoy). I don’t care at all about wins and losses if the guy I’m scouting doesn’t actively contribute to it. But I do admit that’s a hot take  

Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

-good play against top competition. I don’t care if a top prospect can drop 400 yards and 5 tuddies against Our Lady of the Poor, what do they do when they’re facing equal or better competition?  Do they still look like “the dude”?

Yep. I don’t think it excludes a guy from being great if they destroy lower level competition and are “solid” against the big boys, but it makes me feel warm and fuzzy when I watch guys best up on the big dogs. That’s why I thought Manziel was gonna be awesome. 

Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

- adequate physical skills. A QB doesn’t need to be able to chuck a pass 80 yards in a dome in shorts.  They don’t need to be 6’5.  Running a 4.4 isn’t necessary.  All that stuff is nice, but doesn’t really contribute to success most of the time.  

It totally depends on the skill set you want schematically. My 2 cents are that the most important physical trait a QB can have is ZIP on his throws. Not how far it goes, but how fast can it go from point A to point B.

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1 hour ago, LinebackerGod said:

Yeah, the Fields love is insane. Best Ohio State player ever? That made me chuckle. Fields isn’t a terrible prospect, but he’s not in the same stratosphere as Lawrence like some people want him to be. I think he falls into the tier 2 QB group, which consists of Wilson/Lance/Fields. He could go in the top 5 and I wouldn’t think it’s insane, but his processing skills are weak AF. He is basically what you’d get if you gave Tyrod Taylor a cannon for an arm. Not terrible, but not worthy of moving heaven and earth to get. I can see Fields being a starting QB for a while, but never really breaking the top 15 in terms of QB play.

The more I think about Fields, the more I like the comparison to a more athletic Mitch Trubisky. Mitch had great arm talent and was awesome in college, but struggles processing quickly. Trubisky had had some NFL success, but has been wildly inconsistent. I expect Fields to have some best games sandwiched between some stinkers.

he might not be the best buckeye ever but he is the best buckeye over the past 40yrs. 

a slightly more athletic Trubisky?  GTFO. or calling him tyrod taylor with a stronger arm...horrible take. 

wilson does nothing that makes me think he is clearly better than fields maybe if Wilson stepped on the field at BYU and tore it up right away but he didnt. took him 18games to get to the point he was at last year. Fields came to Ohio State and was dominate from the get go and made Kirby look like a moron. hell if he never got hurt he leads OSU to the title game his first year as stsrter

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