warfelg Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 As others have said: the ejection is worth it on pure stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Is it technically stupid to do that next to a ref? Yeah. Did the referee overreact for absolutely no reason and eject him because he technically touched him? Yep. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Is it technically stupid to do that next to a ref? Yeah. Did the referee overreact for absolutely no reason and eject him because he technically touched him? Yep. Technically stupid? Give me one good reason why Collins would walk up to the ref on the other side of the line of scrimmage after a play and put the crown of his helmet done right at his chest if not to either touch him or incite him. Please justify that beyond he was doing what it looked like he was trying to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, lancerman said: Technically stupid? Give me one good reason why Collins would walk up to the ref on the other side of the line of scrimmage after a play and put the crown of his helmet done right at his chest if not to either touch him or incite him. Please justify that beyond he was doing what it looked like he was trying to do He was demonstrating something. Players do it all the time. Watch what WR/DB's do every single time they think they were interfered with or held or something. They all try to demonstrate. Was it a stupid thing to try to demonstrate lowering your head towards a referee? Sure. But trying to incite the ref or even try to touch him? That's laughable, especially considering the only reason he touched him in the first place is because the referee literally turned into Collins. Edited September 14, 2020 by AFlaccoSeagulls 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: He was demonstrating something. Players do it all the time. Watch what WR/DB's do every single time they think they were interfered with or held or something. They all try to demonstrate. Was it a stupid thing to try to demonstrate? Sure. But trying to incite the ref or even try to touch him? That's laughable, especially considering the only reason he touched him in the first place is because the referee literally turned into Collins. Oh really? They’d funny, I’ve never seen anyone “demonstrate” that to a ref before. Btw I watched that play in room with at least 3 former refs and each one was in agreement. This thread is delusional to such basic common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Did I really just read that Jamie Collins is stupid for trying to demonstrate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Kip Smithers said: Did I really just read that Jamie Collins is stupid for trying to demonstrate? Yes. You also read that someone has never seen another player try to demonstrate how a penalty occurred or did not occur to a referee before. 2020 is wild, man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Yes. You also read that someone has never seen another player try to demonstrate how a penalty occurred or did not occur to a referee before. 2020 is wild, man. The comments in this thread are full of stupidity. Edited September 14, 2020 by Kip Smithers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said: Did I really just read that Jamie Collins is stupid for trying to demonstrate? haha Kip show me like 5 examples in football history of player walking right up to a ref and putting his helmet in chest that didn’t end in penalties. Please lol. This is why refs and coaches just ignore fans. Some blatant common sense and fans will trip all over themselves to justify it. You never touch the ref. It’s pretty simple. You learn it when you are a kid playing youth sports. Again this thread is full of the usual “player good, ref bad” fan tug along that makes all of us look bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson_Neat Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 It's a pretty soft call, but they almost always are in regards to contact with an official. I don't think Collins intended to make contact, but he did and that's all that matters. The true BS ones are when the official comes in to break up a scrum from the blindside and the player slaps him away or shrugs him off . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I think the ref made an instinctual move to protect himself from Collins. Collins is coming toward him with full football gear and lowers his helmet. Does it look like the ref makes/initiates the contact, yes. Would most people in a similar situation make a similar instinctual move, I think they would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp0k2 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, daineraider said: Overreaction for sure, but what is Collins doing? The ref wasn’t even looking at him and Collins lowers his head like a bull. The ref looked more startled/confused, it was an overreaction but I’m ok with the penalty(not sure an ejection was warranted). David Mongomery was lowering his head and using his helmet as a battering ram on a few runs before this. As it is supposed to be a penalty and point of emphasis, but is seldom called on offensive players, Collins was frustrated and was trying to show the official what Montgomery was doing and to look for it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Was it a serious infraction? No, there was no intent to harm or anything as such. Was it a valid penalty? 100%. You cant make physical contact with a ref UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. By rule it's an ejection. All of that was correct. The fact that it wasnt serious is why Collins isnt being suspended. This thread is about as stupid as Collins lowering his crown to lightly bump the refs chest to demonstrate lowering the crown of the helmet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, lancerman said: haha Kip show me like 5 examples in football history of player walking right up to a ref and putting his helmet in chest that didn’t end in penalties. Please lol. This is why refs and coaches just ignore fans. Some blatant common sense and fans will trip all over themselves to justify it. You never touch the ref. It’s pretty simple. You learn it when you are a kid playing youth sports. Again this thread is full of the usual “player good, ref bad” fan tug along that makes all of us look bad The irony of you asking for common sense here is hysterical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said: The irony of you asking for common sense here is hysterical. You could show examples. This is the least controversial controversy ever manufactured here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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