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1 minute ago, KingOfNewYork said:

I want Jim Harbaugh. None of these hot coordinators who aren't being groomed to be head coaches who wont bring the units they're coaching with them. Harbaugh will not only be able to help our Quarterback but he will also know what assistants to hire to help develop our other players. That's something we never talk about as fans when discussing head coaching hires. A coach who can coach his coaches and work all 3 phases. No specialists, an actual head coach.

I would love that but didn't things get dicey with Harbaugh in SF because he wanted complete control? With JD here that wouldn't happen. 

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6 minutes ago, mattmanz91 said:

I would love that but didn't things get dicey with Harbaugh in SF because he wanted complete control? With JD here that wouldn't happen. 

I'm unsure if it was complete or more say. With our reporting structure it might not be a problem and Douglas has a relationship with the other Harbaugh so there's that. Either way he's the type of coach we should seek should we end up in the coaching market at the end of this season.

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34 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said:

I'm unsure if it was complete or more say. With our reporting structure it might not be a problem and Douglas has a relationship with the other Harbaugh so there's that. Either way he's the type of coach we should seek should we end up in the coaching market at the end of this season.

He would change this franchise like Parcells did. We need that so badly.

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48 minutes ago, ekill08x said:

He would change this franchise like Parcells did. We need that so badly.

Yeah its not enough to just bring in a guy with an explosive offense or playmaking defense. We need a Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll type. I'd give him a blank check and all the resources needed for his coaching/training staff.

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Honestly, for me, I think we have to knock it out of the park with the next HC hire.

I have nothing but respect for you long-term Jets fans. I've been a fan for about 20 years now, but at this point we've had one winning team in the last ten years, and we haven't had a team that seriously threatened to beat any decent teams since 2010. We draft like crap, and rarely develop anyone. When we luck into a great player, they can't get out of here fast enough. We can't hire a head coach or GM (JD not included, too early to tell) to save our life. Our best QB season in the last 15 years was from Ryan Fitzpatrick, and we only lucked into that because someone punched our chosen starting QB in the face.

We're into year 3 of our highly-touted first round QB, and we have no idea if he's terrible or if his coaching and surrounding talent is. We don't even know how bad we are.

Our best players are:

  • C.J. Mosley, a great player who's played 1.5 games for us and opted out of playing this year, presumably seeing how terrible we were going to be
  • Jamison Crowder, a good but not amazing slot receiver
  • Marcus Maye, a solid but unspectacular safety

And after that it's basically impossible to say, as everyone blurs together in a sea of "okay, I guess" or "we really need to do better".

We went 68-92 in the 2010s, with 11 of those wins coming in 2010. Good for 27th "best". The teams behind us (Raiders, "Football Team", Bucs, Jaguars, and Browns) all seem to have significantly more reason for optimism than us. Hell, they've all won a game this year already.

Watching this team and devoting energy to it feels like slowly drowning, only for some reason you're doing it by choice, hoping it gets better despite being given absolutely no indication that it ever will.

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On 9/15/2020 at 11:44 AM, Formula 14 said:

Unpopular opinion but Adam Gase was at zero fault for this game. Play calling was pretty sound, we just didn't execute. Had Sam completed some of the gimmy passes, the narrative would be totally different... When it's 3rd & long and you're checking down to Chris Hogan at the LOS because you misread a blitz, that's not on the coach... 

Gase deserves some criticism for not being more creative with the only attempts at creativity being in the form of screen passes. I do wish the Jets called more motions with Crowder, Herndon and/or Berrios to exploit mismatches and can't say why they didn't, but to scapegoat the coach for the overall offensive performance isn't fair. The entire complexion of the game would have been different had Darnold-Herndon connected on 1st down or Darnold-Crowder connected on 3rd down in the very first drive of the game. 

I give them last week. I've been a Jets fan too long to put too much stock into week 1 (2018: went 4-12... 2014: went 4-12... 2012: went 6-10... 2011: went 8-8...) 

If they don't show improvement over the next 2 games, this topic becomes relevant. 

Last week wasn't on Gase, but this week is, and it was a disaster. The result of the game had nothing to do with that assessment. Trying to not be emotional and provide an unbiased viewpoint, and here’s what it comes down to: 

The good: Gase’s schemes are good on paper. His concepts are good on paper. He has a good understanding of player capabilities. He has an analytical, big-picture mindset and doesn’t get bogged down by the anomalies (i.e. a player who significantly out-produces his capabilities on game day). He's has a "process over results" philosophy, which is typically the most sustainable winning method in sports, but he's too committed to it.  He coaches in a vacuum, choosing to focus on executing the game plan rather than adjusting to the situation at hand. There’s a lot of smart people out there that acknowledge this, so to say that “Gase is stupid” doesn’t provide the proper context. 

The bad: Gase is the single most stubborn play caller in the NFL. It’s two fold: he allows the talent on the field to dictate what plays he calls/how he call them and is unwilling to depart from that mindset, regardless the situation, which signals (1) clear lack of confidence in his players; (2) horrifyingly bad situational play-calling.

First, the intangible aspect that the analytical/introvert crowd fails to acknowledge is that instilling confidence in your players to get the most out of them is a real thing even if it is difficult to quantify. In almost every field of business, positive morale often correlates with positive production, and when your calling for screens/HB dives on 3rd down and kicking field goals/punting on 4th down by multiple scores, your signaling to your coaching staff and your players on both offense and defense that you’re not confident in their ability to execute. Second, when the coach is not willing to give players a chance to produce despite obstacles, rather, are comfortable waving the white flag—the “unless it’s perfect, we can’t perform" mindset—it promoting a losing mentality. 

Instead of making excuses and calling pointless plays because your receivers are hurt, get aggressive and ask your players to do rise to the occasion; ask Berrios to do things that he’s not traditionally accustomed to/doesn’t fit his skill set for the sake of trying. Hell put your fastest DB on the field and try downfield stuff. Let your QB audible out of plays if he wants to attack the defense. Gase's stubbornness and inability to at least attempt unlikely outcomes is a flawed elitist mindset that is not conducive to player growth. 

The verdict: Gase is not a fit for this football team. The concept of leadership is not one I like to expand too far upon because it’s often a word people use when they can’t figure out the right set of words to describe someone. What it is: Gase’s play-calling and temperament do not inspire confidence in the team. His style may work in the rare environment where player‘s are all self-motivated, hold themselves accountable, and the talent is plentiful (see Peyton Manning and 2013-14 Denver Broncos), but he doesn’t have the temperament or the mentality to coach a young team that needs someone to guide them and inspire them in order to get the most out of them. Gase would probably do well as an OC in a situation like Alabama where talent is plentiful and the accountability standard already exists. He’d probably do well in a situation like Indianapolis, where the roster is loaded with talent and a veteran QB. Gase can be a smart offensive mind while also getting in his own way, which is what we've seen in his 18 games with the Jets and 49 games with the Dolphins. It’s almost as if he calls plays as a way to make an excuse for himself—“see, I told you we don’t have enough guys at this position, so I have to call this play”—and it’s counter-productive. There's something to be said for the Herb Brooks of the world that are able to acknowledge that the team may be undermanned and less talented, but still be able to inspire the team to outperform their capabilities. That is what is needed, not a coach who approaches the game as if he's coaching a bunch of robots. 

 

Gase ain't it. While I don't expect the team to fire him prior to season's end, I'm hopeful ownership gives Joe Douglas the freedom to pick a head coach that will continue to instill a process-oriented philosophy while also inspiring confidence in the team by means of their temperament, game plan, and adjustments. 

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11 minutes ago, jetsfan4life51 said:

Amazing post @Formula 14.  Has Sam ever audibled?

He has. But he alluded in his press conference that he wasn't given that freedom yesterday 

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If we get our ***** kicked in again next week his seat is going to go up in flames.

“Continuity” in this situation may prove to be detrimental 

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34 minutes ago, NYJets4716 said:

Fire Gase, hes the worst hc in football 

There are no good play calls for 4th and 7.. lmao

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1 hour ago, Formula 14 said:

He has. But he alluded in his press conference that he wasn't given that freedom yesterday 

WTF why is that a thing? And if Sam is going to sit back and let Gase control him that's on Sam.  

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1 hour ago, GangGreen420 said:

If we get our ***** kicked in again next week his seat is going to go up in flames.

“Continuity” in this situation may prove to be detrimental 

His seat is already in flames. I understand why Christopher Johnson said what he said, but he's shown that he's more fluff and hyperbole than anything. His vote of confidence in Maccagnan became "one of his biggest regrets" within the span of a year. 

Honestly, I didn't think I would ever say this, but Woody may be the "savior" as it relates to Gase. Regardless if Trump gets re-elected, there's rumors Woody won't seek to stick around in the UK. My worry is he would come back, fire Gase, and look to make the splash hire. Just let Douglas pick a coach and move forward. 

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13 minutes ago, jetsfan4life51 said:

WTF why is that a thing? And if Sam is going to sit back and let Gase control him that's on Sam.  

As a 3rd year QB, I don't think it's in his best interest to go nuclear and disregard what the coaches tell him to do. He doesn't have the same kind of power that Aaron Rodgers did, and even then it was frowned upon. 

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Is anyone else concerned that Patton Oswalt will be making the calls on offense if Gase gets fired? Thought he did a great job in Ratatouille...  

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