TheRealMcCoy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: Harden is the only star who gets knocked for not winning in the playoffs. It’s crazy the narrative about him. He hasn’t won it all, but seriously not many guys have. That's true, but I just don't know if his play style is conducive to winning a title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just now, TheRealMcCoy said: That's true, but I just don't know if his play style is conducive to winning a title. It would take the perfect storm, which we got until CP3s hamstring happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just now, Pastor Dillon said: It would take the perfect storm, which we got until CP3s hamstring happened True. I also think Harden has always been one of the more hated superstars. He's probably in that next tier right after LeBron in regards to that. Fair or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beekay414 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: Harden is the only star who gets knocked for not winning in the playoffs. It’s crazy the narrative about him. He hasn’t won it all, but seriously not many guys have. Um, I'm pretty sure the guy in my avatar also gets knocked for the last two failures 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) I think one destination place could be Miami, they have great clubs so Harden could go straight to the club in his uniform after the game! 😂 No, but for real, Miami can give the Rockets back a haul in young shooters like Tyler Hero & Duncan Robinson as well as Igudola or Kelly Olynk etc w/ a few 1st round picks. Harden, Jimmy & Bam seems like a Finals appearance to me for the Heat again. Then the Rockets have: Wall/Clemons Hero/Gordon/McLemore Iguodala/Robinson/Danuel House Tucker/Olynk Wood/Cousins Edited December 22, 2020 by turtle28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Um, I'm pretty sure the guy in my avatar also gets knocked for the last two failures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 56 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Um, I'm pretty sure the guy in my avatar also gets knocked for the last two failures I don't really understand the heat for Giannis though. I can at least understand it with Harden. He had Durant and Westbrook in OKC and he has had Houston that has done whatever to try and build around him. He's also 31 years old. Michael Jordan didn't win until his 27 year old season and actually turned 28 by the time he won that first championship in 91. LeBron James didn't win until his first championship till he was 27 years old too. Giannis just turned 26 before this season. He still should be given some more time. If he is 30 or 31 at the end of this supermax he signed and he still is ringless, then I would understand the criticism a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: I don't really understand the heat for Giannis though. I can at least understand it with Harden. He had Durant and Westbrook in OKC and he has had Houston that has done whatever to try and build around him. He's also 31 years old. Michael Jordan didn't win until his 27 year old season and actually turned 28 by the time he won that first championship in 91. LeBron James didn't win until his first championship till he was 27 years old too. Giannis just turned 26 before this season. He still should be given some more time. If he is 30 or 31 at the end of this supermax he signed and he still is ringless, then I would understand the criticism a lot more. Michael Jordan didn’t have to deal with stupid hot take TV shows on ESPN & Fox Sports and over reaction social media like fools on Twitter. Edited December 22, 2020 by turtle28 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, beekay414 said: Um, I'm pretty sure the guy in my avatar also gets knocked for the last two failures Not on the level of harden though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: I don't really understand the heat for Giannis though. I can at least understand it with Harden. He had Durant and Westbrook in OKC and he has had Houston that has done whatever to try and build around him. He's also 31 years old. Michael Jordan didn't win until his 27 year old season and actually turned 28 by the time he won that first championship in 91. LeBron James didn't win until his first championship till he was 27 years old too. Giannis just turned 26 before this season. He still should be given some more time. If he is 30 or 31 at the end of this supermax he signed and he still is ringless, then I would understand the criticism a lot more. I don’t like comparing guys by age. Some guys went to the league at 18, MJ won a national championship and a gold medal before he even entered the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just now, Pastor Dillon said: I don’t like comparing guys by age. Some guys went to the league at 18, MJ won a national championship and a gold medal before he even entered the league. That's fair, but MJ also had a better situation leading up to the 90-91 season than LeBron ever had in Cleveland before he bolted for Miami to greener pastures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: Not on the level of harden though Cause he doesn't deserve that level of scrutiny. It's more ridiculous the flack that Giannis gets than what Harden receives. I know you're a Rockets fan, but c'mon man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Michael Jordan didn’t have to deal with stupid hot take TV shows on ESPN & Fox Sports and over reaction social media like fools on Twitter. Nope. LeBron has had a target on his back since HS. Say what you want about 2011 and that's a bigger black eye on his resume than MJ has, but LeBron has navigated his career amazingly all things considered. He has had very few missteps since he entered the league. Dude may want people to like him too much and can be corny at times, but no player could've won with those Cleveland teams. Like was he supposed to beat the Spurs? lol. He was good with the media right out of HS. Not gonna get into a GOAT discussion, because I've had too many of them with my friend who is a LeBron hater and I know they never really go anywhere. I wasn't trying to compare MJ & LBJ, but point out that the top 2 of all time didn't have a title at the age Giannis is right now. He deserves at least his 3rd contract before getting the type of scrutiny he gets now. I mean he hasn't even got till the end of his 2nd one and its been a big thign already lol. Especially when you consider how much more raw Giannis was when he entered the league compared to those two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: I don't really understand the heat for Giannis though. I can at least understand it with Harden. He had Durant and Westbrook in OKC and he has had Houston that has done whatever to try and build around him. He's also 31 years old. Michael Jordan didn't win until his 27 year old season and actually turned 28 by the time he won that first championship in 91. LeBron James didn't win until his first championship till he was 27 years old too. Giannis just turned 26 before this season. He still should be given some more time. If he is 30 or 31 at the end of this supermax he signed and he still is ringless, then I would understand the criticism a lot more. I get it but I also don't. When I say that, I mean for everyone. Harden would likely have a title if Chris Paul doesn't get hurt. Giannis has a title if Fred VanVleet doesn't turn into the greatest shooter of all-time. There are just so many variables that go into winning any title that basing success on championships is so narrowminded. Edited December 22, 2020 by beekay414 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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