DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 What about Allen Robinson III? Either receiver could solidify the Patriots as a frontrunner in the AFC and make them a bonafide Super Bowl contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Cam had the most rushing attempts in this game since a game in 2014! @Deadpulse You said the offense is more suited to Cam than it was TB12 last season. I said 'quite possibly'. I now change that to definitely! I've rewatched, WRs still didn't get open. When a WR caught the ball, he was either covered anyway (Edelman), or schemed open through running sweep motions before snap (Harry). None of them actually got open beyond 10yards all day. The OL was so good punching holes in the middle, Thuney and Mason bullied their opposites. Bullied them. The runnings backs contributed well, reflected in 6! Players getting more than 20 yards on the ground (as you've put above). A Tom Brady offense should be on time, and get open receivers between zones. A Cam offense should bully people on the ground, and prioritize RPO/running plays first. This is a Cam offense. 4 hours ago, m haynes said: This is Cams offense however we all heard the announcers during the game saying they better find a way to beat 8 man fronts going forward. The Pats WR group is so bad that they will see man coverage for the rest of the year. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 is OBJ worth a first anymore? I suppose there is precedent for this with the Cooks trade, but it seems a bit rich. Maybe a 2nd and a 5th or something would be more palatable for me. For Allen Robinson, absolutely not. He'd be a repeat of the Sanu trade in terms of success IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Hell no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Rider Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) There is no one on the roster that will make defenses respect the long ball. This team will live and die if the Oline is opening holes for Cam and RBs and I don't feel this is a recipe for success. How long can Cam take a weekly pounding to keep the ball moving? I am not sure if OBJ is the answer, do Browns want to trade him because he is being a bum? Do they want to keep him until they think the playoffs are just not in reach anymore? is a 1st round pick worth it? Honestly I don't think so but at the same time I am fully aware OBJ will probably be better then any WR bill picks with that first rounder. Edited September 15, 2020 by The Third Rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InRodWeRust Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I see this team as an 8-8 team. Adding OBJ will maybe get 1 to 2 more wins if he plays to his full potential and I still don't see him making this team a Super Bowl contender. Not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Deadpulse said: For Allen Robinson, absolutely not. He'd be a repeat of the Sanu trade in terms of success IMO This is a poor take muchacho. Sanu is nothing compared to ARob. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 hours ago, The Third Rider said: There is no one on the roster that will make defenses respect the long ball. False; Byrd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 hours ago, The Third Rider said: There is no one on the roster that will make defenses respect the long ball. This team will live and die if the Oline is opening holes for Cam and RBs and I don't feel this is a recipe for success. How long can Cam take a weekly pounding to keep the ball moving? I am not sure if OBJ is the answer, do Browns want to trade him because he is being a bum? Do they want to keep him until they think the playoffs are just not in reach anymore? is a 1st round pick worth it? Honestly I don't think so but at the same time I am fully aware OBJ will probably be better then any WR bill picks with that first rounder. 8-8 is modest and the realistic worst I see. 10-6 is reasonable to me with the schedule. That's aside from the point I want to make though which is counter to your whole argument about running the football starting with Cam. First off- Yes, that is the identity of this offense now, it is true. However, Cam is underrated throwing the ball and that is where I see the value in adding just one receiver like Allen Robinson III or OBJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 I'd really love to see Gilmore play receiver this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 31 minutes ago, DoleINGout said: This is a poor take muchacho. Sanu is nothing compared to ARob. Im not comparing the players, I am comparing the potential success of the deal being fruitful for the Patriots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: Im not comparing the players, I am comparing the potential success of the deal being fruitful for the Patriots. Still poor take, as trading a first or -- as you put it, a "2nd and 5th" -- would be roughly the same as what they gave up for Sanu less than a year ago. Younger, BETTER - (ya'know, like actually a #1 guy as opposed to a #5 or 4.5), and under contract when the Pats can afford it that is actually below market value versus absurdly above it like Sanu, and... well... just this season alone with ARob would make it a much better "potential success" than what the Sanu deal was. It cannot be stated enough how bad of a disaster that Sanu trade was. Awful, just absolutely A W F U L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 It is your opinion @Deadpulse which is fine, I respect that. I don't see how Allen Robinson - for close to the same compensation that Sanu drew - is the same level of potential success given the absurd gulf in talent between the two men. Factoring in age, contract value/length, and opportunity/Super Bowl window with Cam Newton for 1-7 million this season, it is not even a discussion that warrants much of an opinion I feel when comparing the two deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I wouldnt give a 2nd and 5th for AR, that was OBJ. I wouldnt give more than a 4th for Robinson. Dude has had two good seasons in a 6 year career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 49 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: I wouldnt give a 2nd and 5th for AR, that was OBJ. I wouldnt give more than a 4th for Robinson. Dude has had two good seasons in a 6 year career. With Bortles, a torn ACL, and underdeveloped Mitch Trubisky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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