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On 4/30/2021 at 6:01 PM, Coffee & Contemplation said:

I mostly agree. But with some exceptions...

- O-line was not great at all in '08 and '09, and then a handful of other years it dealt with injuries, but been mostly extremely strong the last few years (at least as pass blockers, run blocking leaves something to be desired)

- He's had great receivers most of his career except the last three years. 2018-2019 really was been mostly Adams + randos. By 2020 Big Bob emerged as a good TE threat, and Lazard and MVS.. improved. So there was some relief there.

- They used a ton of high round picks on defense over the course of his career, but it didn't translate to good defenses. The defenses he's played alongside have mostly been bad, and in many cases are [i]more [/i] responsible for the numerous memorable playoff losses he's faced. But people tend to cite the very few times where the defense outplayed the offense in the playoffs. It's extremely rare but it's happened, and the Packers have almost always lost when that happens (2010 NFCCG vs. Bears being the exception)

- He shouldn't be criticized for losing 4 NFCCGs, because he didn't lose them, the Packers as a whole did. In all of those, any player, Rodgers included, could have played better. And frankly, in two of those NFCCGs the team as a whole was badly outmatched before the game even started. Everyone knew the Packers weren't going to win. (Falcons 16, Niners 19)

It's like the 90s Bills teams, people criticize them for losing 4 Super Bowls, but also they made that many Super Bowls and despite not winning it all, they are still often held as some of the best teams of their era.

Lame excuses.

Name one QB that doesnt have to deal with the same issues?

The Seahawks NCF loss was clearly on Aaron Rodgers. 

The Packers Defense made Russell Wilson throw 4 INTS, held less than 100 yards passing going into the 4th quarter and was sacked 5 times. PLAYED LIGHTS OUT. 8 Three and outs.

Aaron Rodgers dropped the ball that game. Inexcusable.

Seahawks Drives

# Quarter Time LOS Plays Length Net_yds Result
1 1 11:16 SEA 20 3 0:48 3 Interception
2 1 8:07   0 0:06 0 Fumble
3 1 5:07 SEA 20 3 1:28 0 Punt
4 2 15:00 SEA 20 3 1:42 3 Punt
5 2 9:37 SEA 20 1 0:19 0 Interception
6 2 8:21 SEA 31 12 6:26 51 Interception
7 2 0:35 SEA 26 2 0:35 -8 End of Half
8 3 15:00 SEA 20 3 1:55 9 Punt
9 3 10:53 SEA 22 11 6:09 78 Touchdown
10 3 2:22 SEA 34 3 1:27 -1 Punt
11 4 10:53 SEA 13 10 4:00 37 Punt
12 4 5:13 SEA 46 1 0:09 0 Int


 

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Hopefully Julio stays in Atlanta considering we got more ways than just moving him to make cap space for all our guys.  Plus the cap goes up a good bit next year and Julios contract gets cheaper the next 2 years per year if im not mistaken.

The way i look at it is if you can't get a 1 and a 3 for Julio then don't waste ya time getting rid of him.  He's worth more than a 2nd or a 3rd to us on the field and it's not even close. If the GM and HC really thinks they can turn this thing around fast and ride it out with Ryan for 2 or 3 more years then having Julio + Pitts, Ridley and the rest of the crew gives you the best chance of succeeding.

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15 hours ago, GHARMON9 said:

Lame excuses.

Name one QB that doesnt have to deal with the same issues?

The Seahawks NCF lost was clearly on Aaron Rodgers. 

 

That seahawks loss will sting forever, its on Rodgers and Mac, Ferocious defense first half, gutless calls and execution.

At lambeau Brady was intercepted 3 times, 1st was a td after the back to back alexander picks, the others:
3 plays:-5 yards

3 plays: 0 yards

On the field goal drive  
1st and goal at the 8, cant get it done


Also that errant pass to adams to miss points in the first half, all of those could've swung the game yet Rodgers couldnt get it done. He is not free of blame at all, regardless of the narrative.
 

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On 5/22/2021 at 10:46 AM, GHARMON9 said:

Lame excuses.

Name one QB that doesnt have to deal with the same issues?

The Seahawks NCF lost was clearly on Aaron Rodgers. 

The Packers Defense made Russell Wilson throw 4 INTS, held less than 100 passing going into the 4th quarter and was sacked 5 times. PLAYED LIGHTS OUT. 8 Three and outs.

Aaron Rodgers dropped the ball that game. Inexcusable.

Seahawks Drives

# Quarter Time LOS Plays Length Net_yds Result
1 1 11:16 SEA 20 3 0:48 3 Interception
2 1 8:07   0 0:06 0 Fumble
3 1 5:07 SEA 20 3 1:28 0 Punt
4 2 15:00 SEA 20 3 1:42 3 Punt
5 2 9:37 SEA 20 1 0:19 0 Interception
6 2 8:21 SEA 31 12 6:26 51 Interception
7 2 0:35 SEA 26 2 0:35 -8 End of Half
8 3 15:00 SEA 20 3 1:55 9 Punt
9 3 10:53 SEA 22 11 6:09 78 Touchdown
10 3 2:22 SEA 34 3 1:27 -1 Punt
11 4 10:53 SEA 13 10 4:00 37 Punt
12 4 5:13 SEA 46 1 0:09 0 Int


 

I like this post because it operates as a burn on both diva QBs

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10 minutes ago, Blackstar12 said:

That burn to the Cowboys. 😂 

Julio is stating the facts. Cowboys are an average team who pay their players like stars when they are just at best good. The Cowboys haven’t been to the NFCCG in 25yrs and the only reason they aren’t the Jaguars is because of Jerry Jones and seemingly all of their ex players/coaches and life long fans are in the media to keep conversations about them alive. If it wasn’t for those factors the Cowboys would be irrelevant and we would barely hear about them just like the Jaguars.

 

 

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