Official FF BMET - Elite Eight Round 1 Part 2

[Deadpulse]

Welcome to the Bracket Phase of the Football's Future Best Movie Ever Tournament! You can see the results and links for the nomination and polling for our entrants in the master thread:

See the bracket bellow:

Sci-Fi	The Empire Strikes back (1)
Horror	The Shining (8)		The Empire Strikes back (1)
Romance	The Princess Bride (3)
Action/Adventure	Jurassic Park (6)
		Elite Eight
Drama	The Godfather (5)
Thriller	Diehard (4)
Fantasy	The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (7)		The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (7)
Comedy	Caddyshack (2)

FF only allows three questions at a time so first round voting will be 2 matchups at once, subsequent rounds will be all at once. Seeding is 1-8 and denoted in parentheses next to the title. Voting will end Thursday, 9/17/2020 at 4pm. 

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[seminoles1]

The Princess Bride for the lulz. And legitimately as well.

The Godfather

[Fresh Prince]

JP.

 

voted for die hard because I had to pick one. 

[MacReady]

Two easy choices.

Jurassic Park (which is my favorite remaining) and Die Hard (which is my second favorite remaining). 

[THE DUKE]

I love, looooooove all 4 movies, but Jurassic Park is a pretty clear winner for me, and I can say Die Hard is close, but The Godfather is a masterpiece.

[MacReady]

11 hours ago, THE DUKE said:

I love, looooooove all 4 movies, but Jurassic Park is a pretty clear winner for me, and I can say Die Hard is close, but The Godfather is a masterpiece.

And Die Hard isn’t?  

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Outpost31 said:

And Die Hard isn’t?  

It's a pretty good action movie.

[fluhartz]

12 hours ago, THE DUKE said:

I love, looooooove all 4 movies, but Jurassic Park is a pretty clear winner for me, and I can say Die Hard is close, but The Godfather is a masterpiece.

same

[THE DUKE]

2 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

And Die Hard isn’t?  

Maybe the best action movie of all time, but it's not a cinematic masterpiece

[MacReady]

21 hours ago, THE DUKE said:

Maybe the best action movie of all time, but it's not a cinematic masterpiece

Shut up, yes it is. 

There's this notion that just because something is action it cannot be superb filmmaking.  John McTiernan is not some Michael Bay nobody.  Watch or read his interviews.  He knows film. 

McTiernan is the man responsible for Predator, Die Hard, The Hunt for Red October, Last Action Hero, Die Hard with a Vengeance, The Thomas Crown Affair (which really set off the heist type mind **** ending theme you saw trickle in around 200-2003) and The 13th Warrior.

These are all among the best in their genres.  They aren't beloved because of huge set pieces or anything.  They're cherished because they're all masterclasses of filmmaking.

You can't find a better action satire than Last Action Hero.
You can't find a better action than Die Hard.
You can't find a better sci fi action than Predator.
Hunt for Red October is the ultimate submarine thriller (which, in my opinion, rivals Das Boot).
You can count on two fingers the number of GOOD Die Hard movies, and McTiernan did both of them. 

Tell you what... Watch Die Hard.  Only watch it.  Don't listen to it, just play the movie on mute.  Same thing with Predator.

I guarantee you will pick up a better appreciation for both if you do that.  Everything that is conveyed through dialogue in those movies is conveyed through sight as well.  Everything. 

Pay particular attention to the first time John McClane walks into the building the first time and how McTiernan conveys a sense of extreme claustrophobia in such a massive open space. 

There's an interview with McTiernan I can't find right now, but in it he talks about his mentor told him to know the movie when studying film.  Not know what happens in a movie, but know the movie.  Turn off the sound and just watch the shots.  Watch what the director wants to convey through sight alone.  You watch that interview then watch any McTiernan movie again and I guarantee you will come away with a deeper appreciation for his movies because they are not merely mindless action, which he proves with Thomas Crown Affair and Hunt for Red October. 

Die Hard is a cinematic masterpiece.  In every single way.  It's literally the archetype of an entire genre of film.  Every single action movie since 1987 ties directly back to Predator and Die Hard.  1987 and 1988.  Just a year between the two greatest action movies ever made, both by the same man. 

Then you've got Francis Ford Coppola. 

I'm sorry, but FFC didn't know what in the **** he was doing.  That's a true story.  He did not know what in the **** he was doing and he accidentally made great movies.  Finian's Rainbow.  The Rain People.  Dementia 13.  Rumble Fish.  Apocalypse Now was just a cluster**** of bad decisions that turned into a classic.  It was basically Francis Ford Coppola working with a bunch of people and being lazy and not knowing WTF he was doing only to get pushed into actually doing it.  His wife's documentary on the movie was better than the movie.  The Godfather was its script and its acting.  That's it.  The Conversation?  Sound mixing.  Sound design. 

Francis Ford Coppola is the luckiest SOAB because he's managed to fall into this label as a great director.  Watch any one of his movies without sound and you'll fall asleep in 10 minutes.  He owes his reputation to his crew, his actors and everyone else.  He's a scam.  A phony. 

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Outpost31

[Daniel]

I was on board with the argument that action can be as valid as high art film until you put The 13th Warrior as one of the greatest in its genre.

Predator is great.  Die Hard ain't as good as Predator IMO.  It's a good, fun action movie.

And FFC is in no way, shape, or form a hack.

Godfather over Die Hard, and it's not close.

[seminoles1]

I did not care for Die Hard.