amac Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 10 hours ago, champ11 said: Incorrect. Jokic makes everyone around him better. You don't "need the right players" ... he makes them the right players. We saw AD with his own team and solid NBA players for close to a decade. High impact stats. lol If you're starting a team. It's Jokic. And it's not even close. That to me says he's better. If you have the best player in the NBA on your team that is an all time great playmaker I guess you can go AD. The one year we had a relatively healthy team we beat the breaks off the blazers in the playoffs, and that was after Boogie went down. Our teams were mostly horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Jokic for me, confidently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, amac said: The one year we had a relatively healthy team we beat the breaks off the blazers in the playoffs, and that was after Boogie went down. Our teams were mostly horrible Plenty of teams deal with injuries. If AD is so good the teams shouldn’t have been horrible. That’s the whole point. I don’t need to re-litigate it, we’ve all had this conversation plenty. He’s clearly an elite number two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Leader said: AD's the better player. People just say this like it’s a fact because AD looks the part and Jokic doesn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, champ11 said: People just say this like it’s a fact because AD looks the part and Jokic doesn’t says who?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amac Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 9 hours ago, champ11 said: Plenty of teams deal with injuries. If AD is so good the teams shouldn’t have been horrible. That’s the whole point. I don’t need to re-litigate it, we’ve all had this conversation plenty. He’s clearly an elite number two. I just think it’s an overly simplistic way of viewing a player when you take out all context of his surrounding roster. Jokic has definitely proven more as a lead guy, which is way I’d take him but I don’t think AD was ever really in a position to succeed here, and this coming from someone who has no love for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, amac said: I just think it’s an overly simplistic way of viewing a player when you take out all context of his surrounding roster. Jokic has definitely proven more as a lead guy, which is way I’d take him but I don’t think AD was ever really in a position to succeed here, and this coming from someone who has no love for him. It is an overly simplistic view. When talking about the Pelicans and AD it's important to understand the context. The reason I have always been hard on AD about this is because people have just been placing him as a top 5 guy for years. Top 5 guys have success no matter what is around them. James Harden makes the Ben McLemores and Danuel Houses of the world solid starters. I just think he's slightly overrated. But as the number 2 guy? Yeah he can have incredible impact. And it's going to be a great series. AD is like one of two guys that can hang with Jokic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Jokic in elimination games: 7-1 record 25.6 PPG, 12.8 RPG, 6.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.8 BPG, 3.0 TOPG 48.4% FGs, 42.6% 3Ps, 82.9% FTs Worst game (per game score): 22 pts on 9/17 shooting, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 6 TOs in game 5 vs Clippers Does this have much to do with discussion? Not particularly, but I just can't get enough of these numbers from the CLUTCH GOD Jokic so I will continue posting them until he disappoints with his back against the wall. If that ever happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 15 hours ago, champ11 said: Plenty of teams deal with injuries. If AD is so good the teams shouldn’t have been horrible. That’s the whole point. I don’t need to re-litigate it, we’ve all had this conversation plenty. He’s clearly an elite number two. I mean, are you going to say that those New Orleans teams were as good (and deep) as Denver is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 15 hours ago, champ11 said: People just say this like it’s a fact because AD looks the part and Jokic doesn’t I hate AD, with a passion, but he probably is better. Jokic might be the worst defensive big man in the league. If I have a team with another stud, I'm taking AD. If I have a lot of okay players, I'm taking Jokic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: I hate AD, with a passion, but he probably is better. Jokic might be the worst defensive big man in the league. If I have a team with another stud, I'm taking AD. If I have a lot of okay players, I'm taking Jokic. since I started this one, I must admit, that this ^ is probably the best or most accurate answer TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, resilient part 2 said: since I started this one, I must admit, that this ^ is probably the best or most accurate answer TBH. Actually......"AD is the better player" is the short, easy and most accurate answer. He's simply a better ball player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: I hate AD, with a passion, but he probably is better. Jokic might be the worst defensive big man in the league. If I have a team with another stud, I'm taking AD. If I have a lot of okay players, I'm taking Jokic. Jokic might be the worst defensive big man in the league? They just beat a top 2 offense in a playoff series. Lmao. Jokic will never get fair or proper analysis because of how he looks. Period. Edited September 17, 2020 by champ11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, CWood21 said: I mean, are you going to say that those New Orleans teams were as good (and deep) as Denver is? Nah but it’s not as far off as you would think. Especially last year when the Nuggets got the two seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, champ11 said: Jokic might be the worst defensive big man in the league. They just beat a top 2 offense in a playoff series. Lmao. Jokic will never get fair or proper analysis because of how he looks. Period. Jokic isn't anywhere close to the worst defensive big man in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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