4209 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Hello guys. We are what I thought we are. Young team, new coach, new system, no preseason games lack of talent on Off, no running game. Its call the growing pains of a young team. I see areas we need alot of work on. I said this before by the end of the season we should see some improvement but early on we will have a rough start. Yes we need better play on the OL. Ismael and Charles are coming some were in the new future, more growing pains. Lets roll up our selves and get ready for Chubb, Odell and company so don't expect this to be easy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 We got rid of two of our top three offensive players. What were we expecting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TRAIN 89 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I've never been more convinced than I am now that the most important part of a sustainable, consistent offense is the OL. This OL is going to take time to fix and I'm not sure Rivera is the guy to do that. He is a lot of great things, but OLs under Rivera have never really excelled. I would argue that his OLs in Carolina were those team's achilles heal, especially his Super Bowl losing team. I don't foresee Scherff being signed in WAS long term, especially with this injury history. With that reality in place, we'll have to completely remake the OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PARROTHEAD Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 15 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said: 73 passer rating for the first 3 quarters. 109.4 in the 4th. 15-24 200+ yards 107 rating from his 21st pass till game ends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, A TRAIN 89 said: I've never been more convinced than I am now that the most important part of a sustainable, consistent offense is the OL. This OL is going to take time to fix and I'm not sure Rivera is the guy to do that. He is a lot of great things, but OLs under Rivera have never really excelled. I would argue that his OLs in Carolina were those team's achilles heal, especially his Super Bowl losing team. I don't foresee Scherff being signed in WAS long term, especially with this injury history. With that reality in place, we'll have to completely remake the OL. Second time around coaches can learn from their mistakes. Let's hope he has . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, PARROTHEAD said: 73 passer rating for the first 3 quarters. 109.4 in the 4th. 15-24 200+ yards 107 rating from his 21st pass till game ends. Well--- game was over in the 4th in Arizona . They were backing off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, A TRAIN 89 said: I've never been more convinced than I am now that the most important part of a sustainable, consistent offense is the OL. This OL is going to take time to fix and I'm not sure Rivera is the guy to do that. He is a lot of great things, but OLs under Rivera have never really excelled. I would argue that his OLs in Carolina were those team's achilles heal, especially his Super Bowl losing team. I don't foresee Scherff being signed in WAS long term, especially with this injury history. With that reality in place, we'll have to completely remake the OL. Well I don't think it is a matter of Rivera being the guy. It isn't brain surgery, you just go get yourself some elite talent. Rivera just needs to decide to invest into the oline. He has not done that as of now. But it isn't like he just omitted investing into the oline, he chose not to improve anywhere this offseason other than draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, A TRAIN 89 said: I've never been more convinced than I am now that the most important part of a sustainable, consistent offense is the OL. This OL is going to take time to fix and I'm not sure Rivera is the guy to do that. He is a lot of great things, but OLs under Rivera have never really excelled. I would argue that his OLs in Carolina were those team's achilles heal, especially his Super Bowl losing team. I don't foresee Scherff being signed in WAS long term, especially with this injury history. With that reality in place, we'll have to completely remake the OL. He took 3rd round pick Trai Turner and got him to 4 pro bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 I think Hale Hentges was better than Logan Thomas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TRAIN 89 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 hours ago, MKnight82 said: He took 3rd round pick Trai Turner and got him to 4 pro bowls. Thats one player. The reason they lost the super bowl was because Von Miller and Co. couldn't be stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 hours ago, MKnight82 said: He took 3rd round pick Trai Turner and got him to 4 pro bowls. Andrew Norwell was an UDFA guard who turned into a 1st team All-Pro Player. Ryan Kalil was a 3 time All-Pro during Rivera's tenure with the Panthers, too. Their OL coach, and now ours, John Matsko, is widely regarded as one of the best in the business. Now that Alex Gibbs is out of the league, he, along with Chris Foerster, are probably the best Zone-Blocking coaches in the NFL. To another poster's point on the Broncos Super Bowl game, that is on Mike Remmers and Mike Shula. Remmers allowed two sacks and multiple pressures from Von Miller, not the interior line. Shula, the OC, did not scheme for any help at all, which was foolish given how much of a beast Von Miller was back then. And then, on the other side of the field, you had Michael Oher going against Demarcus Ware and the field was so bad, it looked like he was sliding on ice skates a few times. Also, Rivera and Gettleman share some of the blame here, as the Panthers did not invest many high resources in the draft on the OL, especially at OT. They relied on Matsko to coach these guys up. And in a sense, you get what you pay for by bringing in a couple journeyman guys to start at OT, and then during the Super Bowl, they ran into arguably the greatest pair of pass-rushers to suit up next to each other during the past decade. So the coaching will be fine, it will just depend on how they put resources into the OL via the draft. Who had more control, Gettleman or Rivera? If I had to wager based on how much of an emphasis Gettleman put on the OL this year, including taking Andrew Thomas with the #4 overall pick, I'd argue Rivera had quite a bit of pull back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4209 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 10:54 PM, lavar703 said: So, I get people are down on Haskins. Honestly he has not played well the first two weeks and he needs to improve but I have no idea how he can be expected to develop in this situation? With Scherff now out or he at least appears to be out for awhile, our OL is Christian, Martin, Rouillier, Schweitzer and Moses. That’s horrible. You simply cannot expect to be able to evaluate a QB who has almost no time to throw the ball. He can’t set his feet in a pocket and throw the ball more than maybe 5 times a game which is absurd. Exactly!!!!!!. Look are we going to give Haskins time to grow. Lets give him time. More importantly lets improve the OL. Couple of WR would help to and I am not sure about Logan. Jury still out o him. Throw in a true RB also. Haskin has none of the aforementioned improvements. Can we give this time to work and let Haskins get some experience under his belt. Be prepare for some rough sailing ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, 4209 said: Exactly!!!!!!. Look are we going to give Haskins time to grow. Lets give him time. More importantly lets improve the OL. Couple of WR would help to and I am not sure about Logan. Jury still out o him. Throw in a true RB also. Haskin has none of the aforementioned improvements. Can we give this time to work and let Haskins get some experience under his belt. Be prepare for some rough sailing ahead. I think the biggest problem I have with Rivera’s approach is he seems willing to throw a year away of Haskins development to see if guys like Geron Christian and Marcus Baugh can play football. The Geron Christian thing drives me crazy because he sucks. We all know he sucks. The regime who drafted him knew he sucked and here we are playing him at the most important position on the OL. I get this is a developmental year for a lot of guys but come the hell on, Apke and Christian suck and we all know it. It doesn’t take 6-10 games to figure that out. Why are we going into every game at a disadvantage knowing these guys are not NFL level talents? Cut them and move on. Put Kamren Curl on the field, try the dude we traded for from the Bears at LT. Do anything! Just try something different. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 9:52 PM, A TRAIN 89 said: Thats one player. The reason they lost the super bowl was because Von Miller and Co. couldn't be stopped. Many, many teams have a hard time stopping a Top 3 pass rusher. Why do you think so many of us are so excited to get Chase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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