Leoric Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 14 hours ago, Shanedorf said: good point, thx. Since the puncture is such a rare occurrence, what would an independent MD have suggested to Tyrod ? " Tyrod - There's a 2 % chance of complications, so no go on the pre-game injection " Lots of players get pre-game injections (without getting punctured) , up to a dozen each week per the reports I've seen I imagine an Independent doctor would Say no contact sports until the cracked rib healed itself. Regardless I don’t blame the Doctor in the slightest. Mistakes happen. I blame a culture that feels it’s ok to inject a player minutes before game time so they can withstand more punishment on a body that obviously is not up to the task. I really feel the NFL needs to step in here and live up to its player safety is paramount and at least slap a fine on the Chargers organization for this. Send out a league wide memo stating that using painkillers in place of a PED is the same as using PED. Chargers offense looked better with Herbert so they will be just as (non) competitive as before. In his first game Herbert threw for more yards then Tyrod ever has. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, Leoric said: Send out a league wide memo stating that using painkillers in place of a PED is the same as using PED. All 32 teams would have their injury list grow by about 20-30 players now listed as questionable. Toridol might as well be the official substance of the NFL, every single team uses it liberally to get guys going on any given Sunday. It's not sound medical advice, but these teams aren't trying heal anyone - they're sole purpose is to get everyone available for Sunday for 21 weeks. So, they'll do whatever to get a guy going. Every single team does this - every single week. It's getting publicity right now because one guy got injured from it. EDIT: here's some good reading on it: https://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/3/12310124/comfortably-numb-the-nfl-fell-in-love-with-a-painkiller-it-barely-knew 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, ET80 said: All 32 teams would have their injury list grow by about 20-30 players now listed as questionable. Toridol might as well be the official substance of the NFL, every single team uses it liberally to get guys going on any given Sunday. It's not sound medical advice, but these teams aren't trying heal anyone - they're sole purpose is to get everyone available for Sunday for 21 weeks. So, they'll do whatever to get a guy going. Every single team does this - every single week. It's getting publicity right now because one guy got injured from it. EDIT: here's some good reading on it: https://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/3/12310124/comfortably-numb-the-nfl-fell-in-love-with-a-painkiller-it-barely-knew Saying half the league is too injured on a week to week basis to really play doesn't seem like a great argument for keeping the status quo. Obviously I'm not saying only guys who are 100% should play, but if we're going with 20-30 players who are playing through enough of an injury they need toridol, how many of them are trying to play through something that could very reasonably become a much more serious injury? In the next CBA negotiations, I think it would do both sides well to agree how to handle some of these types of situations to take the game-time decision out of the players hands. Not for all of them, but for those 5 or so guys of the 30. The NFLPA should be all for it given player safety, and the NFL would be smart to adopt this too even if only for the optics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, ramssuperbowl99 said: In the next CBA negotiations, I think it would do both sides well to agree how to handle some of these types of situations to take the game-time decision out of the players hands. Not for all of them, but for those 5 or so guys of the 30. The NFLPA should be all for it given player safety, and the NFL would be smart to adopt this too even if only for the optics. I would agree with this - I'd even take it s step further and find a way to build in a "sabbatical" of sorts for players. I don't know how that would be administered or managed, but let guys get extensive time away from football, just to get their bodies in order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, ET80 said: I would agree with this - I'd even take it s step further and find a way to build in a "sabbatical" of sorts for players. I don't know how that would be administered or managed, but let guys get extensive time away from football, just to get their bodies in order. Even a rule as simple as "no contact during the bye week" would help if you had 2 of them. Actually give the players' bodies a chance to catch up. Of course, that might just result in coaches/players running themselves ragged in the weight room, but there's always going to be people who try to cheat the system like that. We had the same thing happen when guys started trying to fail the baseline concussion tests when they were installed, but eventually that goes away as the culture changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Hopefully the doctor is suspended for deflating lungs. This is not a laughing matter, of course. Mistakes happen though. Sounds harsh to say, but it's good to see Herbert starting. He looked electric! The opposite of TT. Edited September 24, 2020 by Hunter2_1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I agree Hunter, a collapsed lung in extreme circumstances can lead to death. But even that aside, I feel poor judgment might have been used here. All I care about is hopefully Tyrod is fine and gets back to being able to play soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Leoric said: I imagine an Independent doctor would Say no contact sports until the cracked rib healed itself. Regardless I don’t blame the Doctor in the slightest. Mistakes happen. I blame a culture that feels it’s ok to inject a player minutes before game time so they can withstand more punishment on a body that obviously is not up to the task. I really feel the NFL needs to step in here and live up to its player safety is paramount and at least slap a fine on the Chargers organization for this. Send out a league wide memo stating that using painkillers in place of a PED is the same as using PED. Chargers offense looked better with Herbert so they will be just as (non) competitive as before. In his first game Herbert threw for more yards then Tyrod ever has. This seems extremely naive. When I was a teenager working a part-time retail job I had a persistent back problem - I would regularly take painkillers to allow myself to go to work. I did this because I'd rather be productive than sit around doing nothing, and I needed the money. Was I aware it was probably not for the best, long term? Of course. But I would not have wanted, and would not have expected, my employer to get in trouble for allowing an adult to make an informed decision. Football players are grown men, who are more-than-fairly compensated for the risks they take. I don't think anyone would argue that the extra rewards more than off-set the risk, and I think almost everyone on this forum would more than happily swap places with even the lowest paid football player. "Player safety" can only go so far when you have a game built around paying the strongest and fastest men in the world to hit each other for an hour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy86 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 4:55 PM, BobbyPhil1781 said: LOL OMFG This is such a Browns thing to not happen to them To my mind, the most Cleveland Browns thing to ever not happen to the Cleveland Brown's was when then-Jaguars punter Chris Hanson badly injured his leg and missed teh rest of the season while chopping wood in the team locker room. He came back and had three years with the Patriots, so I don't feel bad in saying fifteen years later, that is still possibly the funniest sports injury I have ever heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Sweep the lung. No mercy. Seriously, I hope his condition has improved. Edited October 3, 2020 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 3:27 AM, ET80 said: All 32 teams would have their injury list grow by about 20-30 players now listed as questionable. Toridol might as well be the official substance of the NFL, every single team uses it liberally to get guys going on any given Sunday. It's not sound medical advice, but these teams aren't trying heal anyone - they're sole purpose is to get everyone available for Sunday for 21 weeks. So, they'll do whatever to get a guy going. Every single team does this - every single week. It's getting publicity right now because one guy got injured from it. EDIT: here's some good reading on it: https://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/3/12310124/comfortably-numb-the-nfl-fell-in-love-with-a-painkiller-it-barely-knew FWIW, AJ Hawk on the Pat McAfee show said the Packers don't use Toradol, or didn't when he was in GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Billy86 said: To my mind, the most Cleveland Browns thing to ever not happen to the Cleveland Brown's was when then-Jaguars punter Chris Hanson badly injured his leg and missed teh rest of the season while chopping wood in the team locker room. He came back and had three years with the Patriots, so I don't feel bad in saying fifteen years later, that is still possibly the funniest sports injury I have ever heard of. Was he telling players to have a seat over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp6488 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 4:27 AM, ET80 said: All 32 teams would have their injury list grow by about 20-30 players now listed as questionable. Toridol might as well be the official substance of the NFL, every single team uses it liberally to get guys going on any given Sunday. It's not sound medical advice, but these teams aren't trying heal anyone - they're sole purpose is to get everyone available for Sunday for 21 weeks. So, they'll do whatever to get a guy going. Every single team does this - every single week. It's getting publicity right now because one guy got injured from it. EDIT: here's some good reading on it: https://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/3/12310124/comfortably-numb-the-nfl-fell-in-love-with-a-painkiller-it-barely-knew FWIW, I’m not sure players are opposed to this practice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ET80 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: ***UPDATE*** He must have got PAID off the books... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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